Re: Planning to close Human Centric AI Community Group due to inactivity unless we hear from you

Namaste

I want this group to stay and survive- grow for following reasons, already
pointed in my earlier response: A.I –World Future of Human Languages Needs
Human Language Appropriate Technology.

In response to the questions:

* Is your group publishing any Specifications?

BVK Sastry: The A.I standards evolution is still hazy and fuzzy . Fine
tweaking it to Human centric Web design standards and applicable to global
non- English like languages needs more support.

* What is the group's expectation about future standardization of
  those Specifications at W3C or at some other standards body?


BVK Sastry: W3C standards stated vision- Web for All'- should not be a tool
to  Technocolonize nations by Anglicized Technology controlled by
corporate. And enforced through Standards in the name of standardization
and interoperability.Technology should be a supportive tool for Languages
of Civilizations and Cultures. Technology should not become a poison pill
to kill targetted languages via transliteration to Roman language model.

We also recommend the following:

* Let us know where the activity is going on so that we can update our
  data and improve our tools.

BVK Sastry:  The thinktank and Indian teams are working on these areas.
Using the ideation of Sovereign LLM base of A I digital Technology. China
has some lead.

Regards

BVK Sastry

On Fri, 3 Apr 2026, 12:57 pm Timothy Holborn, <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi CG/BG System,
>
> I've been unwell and homeless, following demands to address others crisis
> / human rights needs, whilst continuing to have difficulty with finding
> means to address my own.
>
> last year, i produced
> https://github.com/mediaprophet/init-draft-standards-wip which has a
> range of quickly drafted respec docs considering some aspects, beyond my
> earlier 'spatio-temporal human centric AI package format'
>
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Fwx3-YYyKgeigaScoMVoTFc3V2p-0jVwOg0IvMr8TZs/edit?tab=t.0
>
> that in-turn, sought to advance elements relating to earlier works on
> something i called 'sense',
>
> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1_xrTXd-rgKlmTu2DWe5C491EHqRkoaJXuBzem6ZaKUw/edit?slide=id.p#slide=id.p
>
> i note that advancement broadly on 'ai context' (or as is reasonably
> defined more technically as 'context graphs' ) has advanced elsewhere.
> here's a recent article made by the ever remarkable kingsley
> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/language-context-digital-notebooks-age-ai-kingsley-uyi-idehen-b2qye/
>
>
> I have not updated the google sheet about 'human centric' for a while,
> this indicates when my capacities became further diminished;
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BdFy5m-J5Lj5LnYxDY7d06MtKaUw3G3UqaLWKnuwptk/edit?gid=0#gid=0
>
> here are a few notes relating to my efforts at IGF 2025,
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erTe4GrzOlE&t=3221s
>
> https://youtu.be/mNQvUxa4gtw?si=ubO5AeE68JnhleTf&t=3886
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDoqVBMbUDU&t=2523s
>
> https://youtu.be/mNQvUxa4gtw?si=lBfAh0jWxBoRq2ZD&t=2164
>
> Following other related efforts at IETF119;
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=ZDH5eaIF_zc&t=2024s
>
> and broader-range advancements, such as is illustrated also,
>
> https://www.un.org/en/delegate/uns-first-global-advocate-human-centric-digital-governance
>
> Over the past 6 months, both homeless and working on solutions to address
> the means to create better environmental supports for people seeking to
> advance 'human centric' digital transformation capabilities, standards,
> tools and related works; i've been working to advance the development of
> civil society options that may better help and improve the means for people
> to do so. As has always been the case throughout my time doing unpaid w3c
> works, the means to avocate for human rights focused purposes - is not well
> supported by our corporations act (duties of directors, etc) and its often
> been found that government can act in a reative and latent manner; such as
> is the case nowadays, with the w3c web-payments/credentials related works,
> now being advanced - whilst i'm currently seeking to get a 'digital
> concession card' solution done.
>
> the videos about these works is,
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCbmz0VSZ_voPlKcgq_9wNooqKX7a0C7V
>
> however as a consequence of recent international affairs, arguably due to
> the lack of peace infrastructure project investments earlier (including but
> not limited to advancing human centric web / ai // humanitarian ict works),
> my efforts are now shifting to 'resiliance', where, if it is deemed to have
> merit and then lead to a process that resources me to advance my works,
> does in-turn involve aspects that relate to the intended purpose, function
> and cause - of this 'human centric ai' cg.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCbmz0VSZ_vpNhNexVEHVBXIkwjerM9Fg
>
> as to improve forecasts and circumstances for/of people generally,
>
> [image: 1774900434299.png]
>
> SO, whilst i'm currently powered by a 200ah lithium battery connected to
> solar, and starlink (expensive atm).
>
> [image: PXL_20260321_072944480.RAW-01 (1).jpg]
>
> I'm doing my best to better resource works, that it seems i think to be
> more important than the many others world-wide with far more resources than
> myself; whilst also worried about the -7c weather coming up in the next few
> months, in circumstances that may be dire for the nation...
>
> i'm actively seeking out support to address some of these challenges
> ASAP.
>
> Yet also, there's been tremendous adversarial pressure.  So, to
> some-extent also, perhaps W3C needs to consider whether the 'human centric'
> paradigm is something that the historic internet governance framework /
> stakeholders / stewards (inc. w3c) is something that is sought to be
> supported at all, or whether it is in-fact better off being further
> advanced elsewhere, perhaps thereby finding more resources made available
> for such efforts if indeed that occurred...
>
> it must also be noted, that the implications and consequences of what is
> required when developing 'human centric ai', as is intended to be best
> supported via ecosystems that support information management structures
> involving other w3c project related outcomes, such as RWW or Solid,
>
> its hard to know, when those underlying pieces haven't been advanced well
> enough to then better support the growth of related structures...
>
> therein; its also entirely possible, that if that future does exist and is
> supported via W3C related 'humanitarian ict' infrastructure; what other
> componetns may become known to be important, to deliver that kind of
> outcome...
>
> jobs 1991 - interpersonal computing -
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w55KZfj0DqU
> timbl 94 - the future of the web -
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkjyCPuTKPw
> Henry Story - 2013 Open Distributed Social Networks -
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7qOhjja7jM
> BVK Sastry: A.I –World Future of Human Languages Needs Human Language
> Appropriate Technology. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrTNSmYc7Bk
>
> so overall, in relation to this map;
> https://www.w3.org/2007/09/map/main.jpg
> (video of TimBL talking about the map:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qL1b9xVMoqU )
> it seems we may be somewhere between 'here be dragons' and 'uncharted',
>
> In conclusion;
>
> I've been committed to ensuring that there is technological means to
> support 'freedom of thought', and various other human rights factors,
> obligations and challenges; that, remain somewhat 'inexorable'..
>
> I noted a 'human centric web' (build using AI related tools, as semweb is
> - web-of-data, etc.) in my 2016 slide-deck (slide 19),
>
> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1RzczQPfygLuowu-WPvaYyKQB0PsSF2COKldj1mjktTs/edit?slide=id.p#slide=id.p
>
> and the video i produced (first published christmas day 2016);
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9vROTibKiE
>
> for the WWW2017 schedule i put together:
> https://web.archive.org/web/20180318162737/https://2017.trustfactory.org/
> (sadly, the cameras didn't turn up on the day, so i've only got poor
> quality recordings of it).
>
> So, whilst also considering the - considerations made by chomsky about
> 'moral grammar' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ2vr2YnSGA
>
> my concern would be, that we'd not be able to create future tooling to
> better then, find out what the reality of these sorts of highly complex
> fields of consideration and discovery actually mean from a STEM
> perspective, alongside others...
>
> I started these works in 2000 ish,
> https://devdocs.webizen.org/old-work-archives/iBank/
> https://devdocs.webizen.org/old-work-archives/Basedrive/
> https://www.theage.com.au/national/start-me-up-20040619-gdy1tc.html
>
> inspired in-part my the fables of my grandfather's cousin,  Sir John Carew
> Eccles (AC FRS FRACP FRSNZ FAA):
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KemhfmAsg8&list=PLCbmz0VSZ_voTpRK9-o5RksERak4kOL40&index=73&t=2854s
>
>
> but there were issues with the work becoming an 'everything aggregator' by
> one platform (back then), as was the concern highlighted in the
> 'start-me-up' article (the age) and later also - by others:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zXqHIJJVxk
>
> and the implications broadly otherwise seems to be that, such sorts of
> underlying problems haven't actually changed much.  as such, whereby the
> works (underlying considerations relating to creating 'parts' via w3c) then
> advanced,
>
> https://www.w3.org/Search/Mail/Public/search?keywords=quantum&from=timothy.holborn%40gmail.com&indexes=Public&resultsperpage=100&sortby=date-asc
>
>
> leading to then further investigating the 'quantum' stuff, that i was
> labelled crazy about (in connection to consciousness and informatics
> requirements, back then...)
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYPjXz1MVv0&list=PLCbmz0VSZ_voTpRK9-o5RksERak4kOL40&index=8
>
>
> there's some videos here, about human agency,
> https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLCbmz0VSZ_vp7r7VvuGuaSipjxp9bI1_D
>
> trying to distinguish between observational reality vs. objective reality,
> etc; defining solutions to ensure sanctity of human agency or 'embodiment'
> in relation to these 'digital transformation' related environments as
> remained incredibly difficult - perhaps, more difficult than any of the
> remarkable things that have been achieved over that period,
>
> including but not limited to the advancements via BRICS since the early
> Web-Payments focused days which is compartively, not that long ago,
>
> [image: image.png]
> The means to better advance these 'human centric' focused works via W3C
> has sadly not been able to do any better than what's been able to be done,
> as illustrated https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-humancentricai/
>
>
> fundamentally, i think its a resourcing issue, which was in-part sought to
> be addressed via https://www.w3.org/wiki/Webizen but we've not been able
> to do better, and, notwithstanding the memories of reps for w3c members
> calling me directly after w3c meetings, to note that they did agree with
> me; but couldn't in their role, on behalf of the member they represented...
>
> its overall, a complex series of problems that are in-part, very old, and
> found difficult by the best amongst us world-wide; but, for me, is
> considered both important and really, really hard - very heavy, as is the
> burden of implications linked with considerations about how it is
> in-effect, unsupported.  what does that say, about 'our' world... anyhow.
>
> One of the ideas i had this morning, was whether it should in-fact just be
> 'human centric' rather than adding the 'ai' part, at the time of creating
> the group; it was somewhat in response to areas that i considered had an
> absence of comprehension by WSIS colleages..  thereby leading to questions
> being directed to MS (microsoft) and, we're a long way from being able to
> empower a feminine led, ontological design capability for our humanity.
>
> perhaps, we could see what happens over the next few months; which might
> also provide opportunity for others to consider how they may resource the
> works whether or not my circumstances change in any way that means i'm able
> to do better, but it is a big job, and certainly, from the w3c related
> stakeholders / body of membership; https://www.w3.org/membership/list/
> there doesn't appear to be more interest in advancing works in relation to
> this topic, via w3c.  perhaps efforts to define 'next gen vaccine
> passports' would be better supported, i really don't know...
>
> whilst reflecting upon history generally otherwise.
>
> perhaps, simply, people generally - don't do 'free work' (also thereby
> funding the costs), because they love their children and understand the
> importance of homes, beds, food, life. as so many years are consumed by the
> very few others (not all of whom have survived), still willing to make the
> sacrifice, for what may well be a lost cause.  for some reason, perhaps of
> kinds that they don't want to talk about on public lists, etc...
>
> anyhow.
>
> i'd ask for a few months grace - to see what happens, but i'd also be very
> much interested to hear / see / find - others, who may be able to resource
> the works in ways that i've not been able to do otherwise.  I've tried to
> act honourably, stepping down as chair due to circumstances of impairment
> (perhaps in-part due to work related factors, etc.) but sadly also, i've
> not seen much progress since, so, its perhaps been functionally abandoned,
> without necessarily being ideologically abandoned, and the question is
> whether there's a recovery solution available; or whether more objections,
> obstructions, and efforts to ensure it doesn't exist - persist, in which
> case, i'm not really sure who the beneficiaries would actually become.
>
> maybe, there's much bigger problems - that actually means, it is not
> possible to progress this field of research & work on such forms of royalty
> free, patent-pool supported, Humanitarian ICT outcomes. However, i'm not
> sure any such scenario could be easily discussed on mailing lists
> inanycase.  hard to know, when the cost of doing the 'free work' means an
> inability to fund the cost to get to the events and places where the people
> making decisions can be found and approached to consider how to advance
> works, that they may also feel important for their own children.
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=%27personal+ontology%27
>
> Let me know your thoughts.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Timothy Holborn.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 3 Apr 2026 at 04:52, Team Community Process <
> team-community-process@w3.org> wrote:
>
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