Re: Volunteers for Chair?

I think you're the only person who has volunteered...

has anyone else got any thoughts on how much longer should be provided to
see if there's a contest? regardless,

once its been agreed; the buttons are:
https://www.w3.org/community/humancentricai/participants

when i set-up the group, i put myself in as chair for it - sought to get CG
involvement, but there wasn't much going on.  you'll see the history in the
lists..

https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-humancentricai/

Perhaps a similar thing could be done, where an interim replacement is done
to ensure the group complies and then, if / when there's momentum, review.

As noted; i will provide support for 'handover', although, there's honestly
alot to it - not all 'human centric' stuff that i do, is part of the w3c
effort; indeed, that came about afterwards - as noted, previous email.

Michael, I think you'll do great.

best..

tim.

On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 at 01:20, Michael Robbins <
michael@learningpathmakers.org> wrote:

> Here’s what I’ve learned from working directly with marginalized people:
> we can’t create structures that leave data dignity, security, and sovereign
> identity to them—autonomy is a team sport.
>
> We need to rethink things around social movements and nongovernmental
> organization collaboratives for safety and effective exodus from the
> kingdoms of Technofeudalism.
>
> Standards are insufficient on their own. We can’t solve with a top-down
> approach. This is not “build it and they will come” field of dreams.
>
> I’m here to step in as chair if there’s support from others on this. I
> won’t nominate myself.
>
> On Aug 15, 2024, at 11:03 AM, Timothy Holborn <timothy.holborn@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> https://soundcloud.com/ubiquitous-au/2nd-june-2015-credentialscgtelecon-medical
> - part of the conversation about seeking to get credentials 'chartered' in
> w3c...
>
> https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.09.20033217v2
> https://www.nejm.org/doi/10.1056/NEJMc2004973
>
> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02243-1/fulltext
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7579175/
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8450051/
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_lockdowns
>
> ""In 2020, the first year of the pandemic, the number of Internet users
> grew by over 11 per cent, the largest increase in a decade; in low- and
> middle-income countries (LMICs) Internet use went up 15 per cent. According
> to the latest ITU data, Internet use grew to 66 per cent of the population
> in 2022, reaching 5.3 billion people, up from 54 per cent in 2019. A
> significant part of this growth was driven by the need to use quarantine
> related applications such as videoconferencing for work and education as
> well as online shopping, access to public services and remote health
> consultation. At the same time, the pandemic sharply magnified the
> consequences of the digital divide and today 2.7 billion people are without
> broadband and not able to access public services or learn from home.""
> source:
> https://www.broadbandcommission.org/publication/state-of-broadband-2022/
>
> there were warnings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zXqHIJJVxk
>
> so, my now former colleagues went about that.. I started on the 'peace
> infrastructure project', whereby the build was / is different; but needed
> means to use human right agreements fashioned in a manner that enables
> their use between one-another in environments where not all communications
> are mediated by platforms.  So, after a few years of not figuring out how
> to get that done via the UN IE: https://metadata.un.org/sdg/
>
> I went off to WSIS:
> https://soundcloud.com/ubiquitous-au/my-question-human-rights-instruments-for-digital-wallets-valuescredentials
>
> the consequence of my concerns, led to my seeking to bring about to fix up
> some issues - particularly also - AI safety protocols - via this W3C
> initiative...  but, i just haven't been able to resource it.
>
> here's SOME notes about consciousness:
>
> https://cdn.knightlab.com/libs/timeline3/latest/embed/index.html?source=1r-bo83ImIEjSCmOFFMcT7F79OnCHDOGdkC_g9bOVFZg&font=Default&lang=en&hash_bookmark=true&initial_zoom=4&height=750#event-consciousness-qm-ai-studies-video-edition
>
> notes i probably can't talk about as a 'chair'.
>
> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1-iYNUBNyJKCn-nk52ovpoAWESVUsFnB7BMEYP7i0qMg/edit?usp=sharing
>
> but, i think the outcome is a thin-client model, given market-saturation
> brought about via vaccine passport related works; that, the outcome will be
> a wallet - on a phone, don't worry if you loose it, they'll back it up for
> you.
>
> and, i don't think these models allow for furnishing means for people to
> own the software artifacts (subject to IP / Licensing, et.al.) pertaining
> to their own consciousness.  nor, have the objectives of seeking to ensure
> people have evidence of the interactions they have with others -
> particularly those funded by government - as to take problems, to a court
> of law to have sorted out on the basis of evidence:
> https://vimeo.com/30416090
>
> The term 'human centric' from my perspective (re: w3c works, etc.); was
> about a different modality for the economic / IP related considerations;
> given the ability for legal personalities to own IP was well founded, but,
> that was not the case for natural persons, negatively impacting human
> rights.  now, as a consequence of investments made by various parties - i
> think, the term has kinda lost its meaning, certainly, there's alot to do
> if real alternatives are to come about - that does more, than lower the
> cost of services by seeking to use market-mix mentalities to distribute the
> cost of infrastructure investments, into customer mix ARPU (average revenue
> per user) related tactics - for beneficiaries...
>
> Personally,
>
> i've built a dual xeon box (silver 42xx) with 256GB ram and 72GB vRAM over
> 2 x a4000 + 2 x a4500  - understanding that the machines needed to maintain
> privacy / produce (or do RD&D locally) outcomes due to the tactics
> employed, are now, new, often tens of thousands of dollars; and, that's
> prohibitive, particularly for anyone seeking to work on human rights
> related use-cases. thereafter, will probably end-up using:
>
> https://www.qubes-os.org/ & a cheap VPS to migrate my life to my own
> possession and then advance https://github.com/WebizenAI/
>
> There's some tools noted:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19IEgvdvwl_EOGhmIFinVQu4OerRojeje8PaZWGvoO4Q/edit?gid=353579630#gid=353579630
>
>
> but i'd prefer to get my own system sorted out... and, i think i need to
> do some art, i think its important for my wellbeing. overall, the failures
> i feel so sad about... not only impact me personally, in profound ways...
> but seemingly also, now billions of others souls.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHB_G_zWTbc
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aigR2UU4R20
>
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-humancentricai/
>
> i do hope the group can make progress in a positive way, and will
> contribute as best as possible...
>
>
> Best.
>
> Tim.
>
> On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 at 13:54, Gabriel Lopes <gabriellopes9102@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> That's a powerful and insightful thread to be connected to, I would say.
>> Much have changed in so few time, that I often feel overwhelmed by an
>> ultra-fast paced potentially risked sequence of transformations in
>> technology, principally concerning this transposition from *what we know
>> about* consciousness onto artificiality, often pushing the human picture
>> to the edges, where we may become simply consumers in a world *yet to be
>> depleted *according to many.
>>
>> I'm in this group since the week it was formally manifest, following an
>> world-wide concern about *what are the AI Giants *planning to do next,
>> and since then, I'm trying to build up my projects in an essay to not being
>> neither surprised or marginalized, while part of the world is trying to
>> leech out from its leaves what's being possible to, even though sometimes
>> the day after tomorrow won't come as expected.
>>
>> So, I'm hoping that each of our defeats may get the time and space not
>> only for being recovered, but studied, analysed, and used in our future
>> wins. Timothy, if you have been defeated my friend, is because you fought.
>> I deeply appreciate the echoes of your Brawls. By reading your e-mails I
>> saw the resonance in my own journey, confronting the truth of breaking,
>> crushing, between expectations and realizations, principally in the last
>> year, mostly caused by variables out of my scope.
>>
>> I hope this group keeps its epicentric contribution at the most valuable
>> part of ICT and AI.
>> One more time, thank you for bringing all of these 33 members
>> <https://www.w3.org/community/humancentricai/participants> together.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Em sex., 9 de ago. de 2024 às 09:35, BVK Sastry(YSAM) <
>> yogasamskrutham@gmail.com> escreveu:
>>
>>> Namaste
>>>
>>> Welcome on board Michael Robbins
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will continue to be helpful supporting person in your new welcome role.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Technology cannot be aggressive and oppressive using monolingual model
>>> to serve the comity of World- Languages. English has done well, but it
>>> cannot assume to be the Big brother with a stick to regulate non-English
>>> like languages access to technology benefits.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim has provided good foundation to progress further.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> BVK Sastryr
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Timothy Holborn [mailto:timothy.holborn@gmail.com]
>>> *Sent:* 09 August 2024 16:11
>>> *To:* Michael Robbins
>>> *Cc:* public-humancentricai@w3.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: Volunteers for Chair?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> the link is: https://www.w3.org/community/humancentricai/participants
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You've got to be logged in.  I think there should be a vote at some
>>> stage, i'll help with hand-over stuff. Certainly, if others want to put
>>> their hand-up for consideration as to create a contested election, then,
>>> I'm guessing some time will be required to allow enough for people to put
>>> their hat in the ring.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> perhaps, best wait a bit and follow-up tomorrow and/or off list, if
>>> there's no other expressions of interest.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've had stalker issues (simplification) that have had to be addressed
>>> by police / court interventions/orders historically, and have done damage
>>> in anycase; so don't want to make contact info (other than linkedin  /
>>> email); but will provide other contact info privately.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim.h.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, 9 Aug 2024 at 20:29, Michael Robbins <
>>> michael@learningpathmakers.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I will volunteer to chair the group. I will need your engagement and
>>> support to do this, Timothy. I also hope to hear from others who may be
>>> familiar lwith the issues and want to step up.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regarding work with the next generation:
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> On Aug 9, 2024, at 5:59 AM, Timothy Holborn <*timothy.holborn@gmail.com*>
>>> wrote: <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>  <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> Respectfully sir, whilst the opposition, the barriers may have been
>>> insurmountable for anyone, I do nonetheless believe that I have indeed
>>> failed..  I am troubled by the implications, the consequences. Yet, the
>>> responsible approach is to let the group know, that it is indeed, beyond
>>> me; whilst offering support for anyone willing and/or interested in taking
>>> on the challenge and related 'mantel', as to do otherwise and continue to
>>> take the spot - without being equipped to do the job, would be
>>> dishonourable.
>>> *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2dkp2jMWRU&list=PLCbmz0VSZ_vponyiYMLdoJ_gGmA-6iwG_&index=5*
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> There are a variety of purposeful, in my mind - universal - values, that
>>> i'm committed to seeking to see successfully make the transition through
>>> this 'digital transformation' journey, most impactful to younger
>>> generations in particular; whom, we owe a debt of care & consideration,
>>> that appears to have been absent in all too many ways, over recent years.
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>
>>> *https://www.w3.org/Search/Mail/Public/advanced_search?keywords=%22human+centric%22&index-grp=Public__FULL&type-index=&resultsperpage=100&sortby=date-asc*
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> The notion of human centric infosphere (
>>> *https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infosphere* ) engineering, has
>>> progressed alot; yet, the term is muddied and decisions are made clear by
>>> what is resourced, and what is not. Within various international fora, the
>>> call for human centric outcomes, whether related to AI - most don't appear
>>> to understand semantic web = ai (
>>> *https://x.com/DameWendyDBE/status/1172470883610431489* ) & that
>>> there's a thing, sometimes known as the 'web of data', but they're issues
>>> that can only really be discussed in person with those charged with the
>>> responsibility of making decisions, and i can't get there; nor can i fully
>>> fund the underlying costs of producing the POC / RD&D reqs associated to
>>> demonstrating alternatives to what it is, the assumptions upon which,
>>> they're basing their decisions - at least, when employing the english
>>> language...  <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> i also have a deficit in skills in some areas of importance, which
>>> again, is a resourcing related issue; alongside structural problems,
>>> associated to the governance frameworks & priorities of organisations that
>>> do have the resources, but seemingly find it too hard to make use of them
>>> for 'humanitarian ict' / human rights related purposes; as is not a
>>> problem, for works that relate to commodification related activity; and
>>> then, as noted in the cogai works,
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> *https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-cogai/*
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> I think there's a series of requirements to ensure works on better
>>> understanding human consciousness through technological prosthetic
>>> apparatus are made safe.  the level of 'competitive engagement' that has
>>> led to what i consider to be defeat, has indeed, been overwhelming..  very
>>> sad, in my view, but i think also, a fairly surmised position.
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> I'm not turning to the darkside...  but, if this group is to improve its
>>> progress  - there should be someone else taking on the difficult task of
>>> chairing the group, to lead curation of its activities. It is also,
>>> important to note, that this is a public list, gets consumed by LLMs
>>> alongside everything else...  working through the human factors, is a
>>> nontrivial undertaking..  🙏🕊️
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> Best. <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> Timo (timothy holborn.
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> *https://www.linkedin.com/in/ubiquitous/*
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> On Fri, 9 Aug 2024 at 04:29, Michael Robbins <
>>> *michael@learningpathmakers.org*> wrote:
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> “failure” 💔🖤
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> I can’t tell you how many times I’ve given up. Your emails echo deep in
>>> my soul, Timothy.
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> I’ve failed  <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> I’ve been defeated
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> I can’t do this anymore
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> I say these things to myself almost every day. But somehow I keep going.
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> Here’s what I discovered. We can’t solve the problems we are trying to
>>> solve with the web. We have to go so much bigger and a different route.
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> There is no Northern passage. We must dig the Panama Canal.
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> And that doesn’t start with technology, it begins with people. Which is
>>> why I spent last year working in an urban school in Washington, DC—working
>>> with educators and teaching AI to middle schoolers—to find the edge of
>>> opportunity. I found it.
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> I have discovered so much. I’ll leave the public link intact for now for
>>> anyone brave and curious to follow my footsteps. For anyone who wants to
>>> know the pathway I’ve charted.
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> *Hic sunt dracones… “Here be dragons”
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->*
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> You didn’t fail, Timothy. We have outgrown the web—along with our
>>> systems for education and governance in digital society. We have the
>>> amazing opportunity to go beyond and build what comes next for learning,
>>> digital ecosystems, and democracy.
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> You haven’t failed, Timothy. There is no way through with the web that
>>> has carried us so far. We must leave that canoe behind for the journey
>>> ahead.  <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> Onward 🌄 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> Michael  <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> *https://www.linkedin.com/in/mwrxyz*
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> On Aug 8, 2024, at 10:48 AM, Timothy Holborn <
>>> *timothy.holborn@gmail.com*> wrote:
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>  <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> Hi Michael, <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> The list is public - so, if you don't want to share the contents
>>> provided to the list, maybe you'll have to do something with the link...
>>> just FYI. <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> As the list is public, there's alot i can't get into.  Indeed, i think
>>> that's been an on-going issue generally with W3C works & similar, as the
>>> real human stuff, the use-cases that try to address serious problems,
>>> crimes like human trafficking related issues; the details, aren't for a
>>> public list.  indeed also, those pertaining to children, or the many other
>>> areas where our humanity, gets truely tested - not merely on the 'sunny
>>> days', but rather, how our technology serves us, as members of our humanity
>>> - when things aren't all ok...
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> it seems the ideals believed, are that a wallet will sort it all out -
>>> don't worry if you loose your phone, they can get you access to the wallet
>>> again - i assume..?
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> therein also, leading to another area of thought, that's seemingly not
>>> really allowed.  i'm very sad about a great many things that have been
>>> meaningful to me.  I don't think i'll be found wrong, at least, not in the
>>> end - but whether and how the WORLD wide web, will grow, is unknown; and,
>>> i've survived, although barely at times, some fairly serious attacks as the
>>> adversaries - go get this wallet thing done, seemingly because it'll
>>> protect human rights, support our values - better - even if i disagree..
>>> or, perhaps, until later, idk.
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> W3C can produce 'recommendations', or methods to do stuff.  In my time
>>> with Web-Payments, WebID, RWW, Credentials, SchemaGen and various other
>>> bits and pieces (inc. the old webizen initiative) ;  i remember the
>>> journey, few were there, billions now impacted.
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> personally,  <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> i've got a workstation that i'll use to adjust my deliberations around
>>> the reality of what is, rather than what i'd hoped, as articulated back in
>>> 2013,14, etc.  but, certainly not enough, not well enough.. wanting to
>>> build parts, in a less than peaceful space.
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> The workstation has a few a4500/a4000 GPUs, dual xeon, 256Gb ram, etc.
>>> once i've done some background work on it, i'll be setting it up to be a
>>> private & personal AI server;  there's some bits & pieces
>>> *https://github.com/WebizenAI/*  basically, building upon the old
>>> 'read-write web' stack, then making various adjustments - inc. wireguard
>>> related personal networking, probably also patch in nymtech - seems, sadly,
>>> some of the elders - well, maybe we do need a new bbs age like - 'new
>>> internet' initiative.. Maybe, it's essential that those who remember the
>>> dial up days, DIY, etc.  get stuck into making an alternative, just in case
>>> digital slavery does become the dystopian underpinnings to a realm we don't
>>> want.  i dont know.
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> there's a list of objectives outlined in posts
>>> *https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-humancentricai/*  - one of
>>> the major things that led to this group, was that i wanted to get human
>>> rights documents put into RDF, so that they could be used when forming
>>> agreements with one-another in social-web implementations (where there's no
>>> 3rd party platform intermediaries required between all human
>>> relationships); then finding, in the WSIS / UN related stuff, a range of
>>> problems that in my view, have proven themselves to have been
>>> overwhelmingly well prosecuted, over a very long period of time..  So, I
>>> didn't want to make a platform where hosts couldn't kick bad actors off it,
>>> nor did I want to own the human rights instruments as defined for digital
>>> transformation, or the ai safety protocols that were / are needed, etc..
>>> Yet, the expectations, need to be reasonable, and, i don't think the
>>> dynamics related to that stuff, will be first discussed on a public w3c
>>> list, although, i hope at some stage - it does happen & that it does
>>> in-fact lead to good outcomes, not just rebranding processes for old
>>> programs. <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> brave new world... IMHO: Asymmetrical pervasive surveillance is a
>>> remarkable feat of engineering - doesn't have much to do with STEM, but
>>> nonetheless, remarkable stuff...  how people can suffer so much, without
>>> means to have disputes resolved peacefully in courts of law; as others,
>>> apparently know everything..  they're values, are just so distant to me..
>>> i've been losing hope.  I started, the renewed efforts in 2010 in a manner
>>> linked with presenting: *https://vimeo.com/30416090* on the screens, at
>>> an event of importance, CHOGM 2011, having been handed 'the commission'...
>>> but that's now, so many years ago...  its not like, there hasn't been an
>>> opportunity, or that we didn't produce the tools to empower them to do so;
>>> they just had other priorities...  apparently, making them - better
>>> people..  so, ok...
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> but, i don't think the technological infrastructure is at all
>>> human-centric; and, it seems any honourable effort to address it, has a
>>> negligible chance of success, irrespective of whether the words appear in
>>> marketing materials, or whatever else, linked with promotions...
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> Telecoms, selling ISDN connections at $1000 PCM, weren't promoting ADSL
>>> for $50 PCM, in-fact, they got in the way.  Cable Companies, didn't help
>>> VOD systems; and CDNs, wrecked the international investigative journalism
>>> industry, as pricing control was centralised into the US via companies that
>>> didn't make any money - but - owned the global marketsphere & its
>>> advertising revenue markets...  so, no funding - just, public relations as
>>> a replacement, in an ecosystem that seems to prefer people forget, than
>>> tell the truth...
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> The group now has no chair.  If any member would like to become the
>>> chair, they just need to log in & goto
>>> *https://www.w3.org/community/humancentricai/participants*
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> officially, there should be a vote - via teleconf - but, we've not
>>> managed to do that yet generally..  if people are interested in a teleconf,
>>> let me know, or indeed also, feel welcome to have one without me ;)
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> I think, if the WORLD wide web is to survive...  that is, something that
>>> is for all members of our human family..  then, well.  its 'the people',
>>> who will have to go do what needs to be done, to make sure that happens for
>>> the betterment of our human family, in a manner that is representative of
>>> our values..  and truth, at least seeking to work through it - even if it
>>> upsets someone, or has serious repercussive implications upon others -
>>> well, shouldn't mean its not allowed; and somehow, the values, the aspects
>>> of life that are of most importance, to need attention - without having to
>>> expose it all to public lists, where people look for weaknesses in their
>>> combat fantasies seeking to defeat 'competitors', for profits, or
>>> whatever...   at times, its almost like i should start selling books
>>> declared to be god..  not sure what the digitally transformed alternative
>>> is, but, regardless, i think the objective overall is to seek to ensure
>>> however its defined, its able to be commodified.
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> i'm just unable to maintain a high level of output, without resources,
>>> trying to smile & be friendly to all, whilst so troubled by the
>>> implications of what has in-fact happened in the past, morally sought, if
>>> honourable, to be silent about it.
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> so, i think someone who is 'unburdened by the past' or whatever the
>>> statement is, is needed for a w3c human centric AI effort - if indeed, it's
>>> something sought to be maintained at all.  Certainly also, if there is no
>>> interest, the group can be closed, per w3c rules & processes.
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> FWIW also;  I'm also looking for expressions of interest for 'web
>>> civics', which i set-up in 2014 as there wasn't any organisation in the
>>> internet governance ecosystems to support the production of free software,
>>> as required for human rights related purposes.  i recently spoke about
>>> humanitarian ict at the IETF119; and had planned to work on ontology for an
>>> 'agent discovery protocol' ecosystem, intended to impact a few things
>>> including 'human centric internet' as it was termed by IGF - but it seemed
>>> like, a few competitive alternatives then emerged - and, i'm troubled by
>>> many of the dynamics brought about as a consequence of credentials being
>>> commercialised without the other pieces - for reasons, i'm not sure is
>>> appropriate to go into, on these lists.
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> BRICS has alot of people within participating jurisdictions, last I
>>> checked, it's all associated to members of our human family who exist in
>>> our WORLD..  whether & how the World Wide Web & related ecosystems grow, or
>>> fail to, idk. As noted, I feel I've been defeated.
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> I've failed.  apologies, but i did my best..
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> best wishes. <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> Tim. <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> *https://www.linkedin.com/in/ubiquitous/*
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 at 22:59, Michael Robbins <
>>> *michael@learningpathmakers.org*> wrote:
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> Timothy, <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> Thank you for your thoughtful email. I understand and share your
>>> frustrations. I’ve been on a parallel journey for the last decade+ as a
>>> social entrepreneur working at the intersection of education, the web, and
>>> community change.
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> I have reached a set of extensive conclusions and operating hypotheses
>>> related to your remarks and the mission of this group. Much of my knowledge
>>> and wisdom comes from direct experience and failure. It is complex and a
>>> LOT to explain.
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> I have put as much as possible into a Coda repository. This is not for
>>> public distribution but I’m talking a leap of faith and sharing it with you
>>> and the rest of this group. I call it the Yantismor Codex.
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> coda.io <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> I’m continuing to advance parts of this as possible with a fww close
>>> collaborators. It’s challenging given my staunch commitment to the public
>>> good and exodus from our age of technofeudalism.
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> I would welcome a discussion with everyone who is interested in learning
>>> more and exploring together.
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> Michael  <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> *https://www.linkedin.com/in/mwrxyz*
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> On Aug 8, 2024, at 4:57 AM, Timothy Holborn <*timothy.holborn@gmail.com*>
>>> wrote: <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>  <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> FYI - FWIW - just figured out the archives link:
>>> *https://www.w3.org/Search/Mail/Public/advanced_search?resultsperpage=100&sortby=date-asc*
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> On Thu, 8 Aug 2024 at 18:54, Timothy Holborn <
>>> *timothy.holborn@gmail.com*> wrote:
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> It's been reported to me that the group needs to have a chair-person,
>>> whilst i note, i've seen other groups without one.  I think this is an
>>> administrative requirement..
>>>
>>> There's a bit to update the group about, write a post about..  or
>>> perhaps a few posts...  but i'd like to step-down as chair, which means
>>> there needs to be a replacement.
>>>
>>> This doesn't mean that I'm unsupportive of efforts to bring about
>>> technological infrastructure that may reasonably support a variety of, what
>>> I'd consider to be universal ideals..  Yet, the conclusion that I've come
>>> to, again, overall is that i' feeling overwhelmingly defeated.
>>>
>>> I'm not presently sure how to best articulate, circumstances,
>>> deliberations, considerations & implications; that are complex, and in some
>>> areas of most importance, have serious privacy implications; whilst others,
>>> pertain to confidences, and behaving honourably is important to me.
>>>
>>> I started work on what i later called 'human centric' ecosystems, in
>>> 2000, due to a relatives work on how synaptic nerve-cells work which led
>>> him to be awarded a nobel prize, i was inspired by that work, alongside
>>> other factors - and went about designing an ecosystem for online data
>>> storage, that was based upon people owning their own data, and sharing
>>> content by links.  There were many facets involved in these first 'crescent
>>> network' / iBank designs, i was very young, troubled, naive & overall, just
>>> starting out, after several years in the ICT sector as a young person..
>>> These works developed through an initial attempt, that led to an
>>> involvement with 'video on demand' and even 'streaming games' (soon
>>> thereafter); alongside wifi, and all sorts of other things; but, to
>>> characterise a fundamental dispute, there was opposing ideas; whilst i
>>> wanted fairness, means to empower people, the opposite point of view was to
>>> use the opportunity to manipulatively aggregate & seek to 'own it all', as
>>> a super aggregator...  this was a problem, that i've been struggling to
>>> ensure that at least alternatives exist to, since then.  It appears the
>>> consequence of various complex issues now leads to a thin-client 'wallet'
>>> based model being monopolistically deployed, and, i don't understand how to
>>> support access to justice, means for people to store & be able to use in a
>>> court of law, even if in poverty, electronic evidence pertaining to their
>>> lives to lawful remedy, peacefully and in a timely manner; as does in-turn
>>> also, impact our capacity to support STEM, fair-trading, electronic
>>> agreements where both parties define terms rather than asymmetrical
>>> agreements that may vary whenever; and beyond the many complex social
>>> implications, there are also significant issues pertaining to engineering
>>> systems to better support human consciousness via our technological
>>> infrastructure that's increasingly acting as a prosthetic dependency upon
>>> life, the lives of people, etc.
>>>
>>> the outcome is also, that whilst i feel defeated - those who may be
>>> considered to have 'won', also do so in an ecosystem that poorly supports
>>> accountability, provenance tracking & personal responsibility.  Whilst
>>> seemingly good for some to 'make money' or indeed others, to merely get
>>> more promotions - it seems, such beneficiaries can always claim they've
>>> always been doing it, and so long as they've got the resources from the
>>> past wins, it doesn't really matter - whilst seeking to maintain an
>>> honourable approach, provide means to deliver outcomes where people can own
>>> the software (licensing, patent-pool considerations, etc) pertaining to
>>> their own thoughtware - well - that's work that's done in poverty, without
>>> funding or safety and the outcome of these fundamental requirements means
>>> that these foundations need to be ownable, by the 'data subject',
>>> themselves...  their own thoughtware...  their own 'api', defined by them -
>>> without undue interference or coercion.
>>>
>>> means, in-turn, to build the test apparatus needed to better understand
>>> consciousness..  but how can that be done safely, given the environmentals
>>> generally..  I really don't know.
>>>
>>> Indeed, whether its called 'human centric', which i termed due to
>>> needing to have a condition in the earlier W3C work to ensure modalities of
>>> outcomes were broader than 'platform owned' or 'corporation centric' or
>>> indeed also, government centric - as the intellectual property for natural
>>> persons, wasn't supported - so, that's why a new term was needed, and i
>>> thought about it; notes can be found by searching the lists - noting, i've
>>> just gone to the link, it appears to have changed..  anyhow.  As noted,
>>> feeling defeated and due also to the code of conduct, I don't think
>>> discussion about some of the related issues can be discussed - regardless
>>> of science or reality...
>>>
>>> two last notes.
>>>
>>> with respect to protecting the human rights & interests of children and
>>> in-turn also, identity development - which is a term pertaining to
>>> psychology / social sciences.  I understand efforts are being made to apply
>>> the wallet to all things internet.  i don't think itll deliver what they
>>> say it'll fix, but, if that's not the point of doing it - i probably can't
>>> talk about it anyway.
>>>
>>> a straight forward solution is to use RDF on domains or even posts, to
>>> provide information about whether the content is suitable for children; ie:
>>> ratings. and then, have a browser plugin or OS tool that looks for these
>>> files, and then makes decisions based on what it says.  this means ontology
>>> needs to be done for it, and somme other tooling - fairly straight forward,
>>> should probably be done by schemaorg | could also be done in a way that
>>> means it associates to particular posts in a social media system, rather
>>> than just the high-level domain / URL.
>>>
>>> also; there's a bunch of stuff that i don't particularly want to see as
>>> an adult, therefore, restricting this approach to merely considering the
>>> interests of children as a child focused outcome; may in-fact, diminish the
>>> ability for the outcome to do so - for children.   Therefore, i considered
>>> the notion of terming any such initiative a personalisation solution
>>> 'myweb', which therein has a particularly attentive focus upon delivering
>>> outcomes to address the needs of young people.   The outcome would require
>>> websites to install the file and/or ontological supports, much like
>>> accessibility projects.
>>>
>>> soe notes about it - still poorly drafted (imho)
>>> *https://docs.google.com/document/d/1c1Afo-bja_jksBEynHyG7nBDz71TAPOZYkagdoh4e6A/edit*
>>>
>>>
>>> AND finally,  I apologise for not having been able to achieve more since
>>> i instigated the creation of the group.  There has been alot of work in the
>>> background, i'll go into it at some later stage.  But, should others have a
>>> belief in the notion called 'human centric' AI, Internet, etc..  then -
>>> finding someone willing to take on the role of Chair, would be very much
>>> welcomed and i'll do my best to support it, but that's not delivering
>>> much atm.  so, I guess, this is an honourable result..
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> I have managed to obtain the 2nd hand parts to build a workstation that
>>> is suitable for local LLM related AI work.  I'm hopeful that i'll be able
>>> to build an environment that'll be good for art, RD&D, etc.
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> but this is different, to seeking to...  well.  I'm very troubled about
>>> the implications associated to some of my earlier works and the direction
>>> the world is going in generally, the implications, etc.  as i'm defeated,
>>> it appears the higher-level consensus must be, that i'm wrong; otherwise,
>>> why would the resources go into the stuff thats troubling, rather than
>>> solutions for tooling to help deliver SDGs and do all the good things -
>>> unless, the so called 'promoter' of such sorts of solutions, is wrong.
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> But thankyou for your time.  It's been a difficult ~12 years or so of
>>> W3C works..  i'll write about my personal deliberations otherwise,
>>> somewhere else.  I am happy to help any incoming chair learn more about the
>>> stuff they may not know re: w3c, etc.  where i can help..
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> I'll write about my view of what i intended re: human centric / human
>>> centric ai, sometime soon.  but, i do worry, that work with the best of
>>> intention - can seemingly be perverted - its like, inventing a hammer, then
>>> seeing it go to market as a new weapon, rather than something that's really
>>> helpful, when seeking to build homes...  notwithstanding the moral hazard
>>> with oversimplifications...
>>> <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> 🙏 <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>   <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>> Timo. <https://coda.io/d/_d7HrfjQE5Tu/Student-Exploration_subN->
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Gabriel Lopes
>> *Interoperability as Jam's sessions!*
>> *Each system emanating the music that crosses itself, instrumentalizing
>> scores and ranges...*
>> *... of Resonance, vibrations, information, data, symbols, ..., Notes.*
>>
>> *How interoperable are we with the Music the World continuously offers to
>> our senses?*
>> *Maybe it depends on our foundations...?*
>>
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