- From: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>
- Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 10:42:18 -0400
- To: public-html-xml@w3.org
- Message-ID: <m2hb7af25x.fsf@nwalsh.com>
See http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/28-minutes
[1]W3C
- DRAFT -
HTML/XML Task Force
28 Jun 2011
[2]Agenda
See also: [3]IRC log
Attendees
Present
John, Norm, Mike, Anne, Robert Leif, Henri
Regrets
Noah
Chair
Norm
Scribe
Norm
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Accept this agenda?
2. [6]Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
3. [7]Next meeting: 12 July 2011 (in two weeks)
4. [8]Review of comments
5. [9]Comment 002 from David Carlisle
6. [10]Comment 003 from Julian Reschke
7. [11]Comment 004 from Noah Mendelsohn
8. [12]Comment 005 from Robin Berjon
9. [13]Comment 006 from Henri Sivonen
10. [14]Comment 007 from Kurt Cagle
11. [15]Comment 008 from Noah Mendelsohn
12. [16]Any other business?
* [17]Summary of Action Items
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Norm apologizes for messing up GMT in the agenda. And for the long delay
since our last meeting
Accept this agenda?
-> [18]http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/28-agenda
Accepted.
Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
-> [19]http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/03/08-minutes
Accepted.
Next meeting: 12 July 2011 (in two weeks)
Accepted.
Review of comments
-> [20]http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/comments/
Norm: I closed comment 001 as it wasn't really a comment.
Comment 002 from David Carlisle
Norm: I think these are all editorial and am happy to accept them. Any
disagreement?
None heard:
Comment 003 from Julian Reschke
Norm: I'm of two minds on this one. I think of XML as having a DTD
language and a set of vocabularies.
Henri: I think Julian's point is well taken, I suggest we call it a
framework.
Norm: I'm happy to take that as editorial direction and make a stab at it.
... Any objections?
None heard.
Comment 004 from Noah Mendelsohn
Norm: Isn't really acomment...
Comment 005 from Robin Berjon
-> [21]http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/comments/#C005
Norm: The first two are editorial.
... Robin suggests we just say "polyglot has limited applicability"
Henri: I think Robin's comments all make sense.
... I'd say that the the parser doesn't actually guarantee that the output
is valid, only that it's well defined.
John: Tagsoup is the same way.
Norm: Ok, if there's general agreement about Robin's comments, I'll
attempt to address them all.
... Any objections?
None heard.
Comment 006 from Henri Sivonen
Henri: The first comment is about the fact that the draft is misleading.
It doesn't "just work". It's way overoptimistic. There are issues with,
for example, empty tags.
Norm: Perhaps I overstated the case. I'll try to soften that statement. Or
at least make it more accurate.
Henri: I suggest just removing the paragraph.
Norm; That looks reasonable to me.
Henri: The substance of my next comment matches the substance of one of
Robin's.
Norm: Ok, I'll try to fix that as well.
Henri: My next comment is about interfacing subsystems. Using the HTML
parser when you have XHTML5 in a larger document is just weird. I would
assume that you wouldn't clip anything out and hand it to an HTML5 parser.
You'd pass the parsed object model around, not the text.
... I don't think the HTML5 parser needs to be involved in any way.
... And then there's something about MIME and such and I think that steps
outside the scope of using an XML document as a container.
... It seems out-of-place.
Norm: That was explicitly called out as one of the possible solutions when
we were considering the use case.
Henri: What the document says about the script tag is factually incorrect.
... what you get in the DOM is not escaped in any way.
Norm: Yes, thats's a totally misleading statement. I'll fix that.
... Any other questions or comments about Henri's comments?
None heard.
Comment 007 from Kurt Cagle
Norm: I think this is about the same paragraph Robin and Henri commented
on.
... Does anyone have any suggestions for the illustration Kurt suggests?
None heard.
Henri: I think there's a slippery slope towards rewriting the polyglot
guide if we go that direction.
... I think we can provide some examples without trying to be exhaustive.
Bob expresses a desire for some examples.
Yeah, sorry Yves, I borked the agenda because of DST
Comment 008 from Noah Mendelsohn
Norm: I think Noah and John have both observed that making XML "more
forgiving of errors" is a harder problem than the draft suggests.
... I'll try to improve that.
Any other business?
Adjourned.
Summary of Action Items
[End of minutes]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Minutes formatted by David Booth's [22]scribe.perl version 1.136 ([23]CVS
log)
$Date: 2011/06/28 14:41:25 $
References
Visible links
1. http://www.w3.org/
2. http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/28-agenda
3. http://www.w3.org/2011/06/28-html-xml-irc
4. http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/28-minutes#agenda
5. http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/28-minutes#item01
6. http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/28-minutes#item02
7. http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/28-minutes#item04
8. http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/28-minutes#item05
9. http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/28-minutes#item06
10. http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/28-minutes#item07
11. http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/28-minutes#item08
12. http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/28-minutes#item09
13. http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/28-minutes#item10
14. http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/28-minutes#item11
15. http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/28-minutes#item12
16. http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/28-minutes#item13
17. http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/28-minutes#ActionSummary
18. http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/28-agenda
19. http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/03/08-minutes
20. http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/comments/
21. http://www.w3.org/2010/html-xml/2011/06/comments/#C005
22. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
23. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
Received on Tuesday, 28 June 2011 14:42:58 UTC