- From: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
- Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 11:26:00 -0500
- To: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>
- CC: public-html-xml@w3.org
On 01/06/2011 10:10 AM, Norman Walsh wrote:
> The HTML5 spec is a document of non-trivial complexity. I'm going to
> go out on a limb and hypothesize that (1) I'm not the only one who
> fails to appreciate all of its details and (2) that thare are people
> on this list who do.
>
> Please indulge me.
Here are two good utilities, the first will use the browser you are
currently running:
http://software.hixie.ch/utilities/js/live-dom-viewer/
I would also normally suggest:
http://livedom.validator.nu/
... but at the moment, it doesn't seem to be working for me.
If you would prefer offline tolls, you can download html5lib from google
code or validator.nu from validator.nu.
> Assuming we're inside the an HTML<body> element and that no error
> correction has yet been required, the following content
>
> <div>
> <span>Text</span>
> </div>
>
> produces a DOM that is isomorphic to what an XML parser would
> produce for this content
>
> <div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
> <span>Text</span>
> </div>
>
> Is that right?
Correct.
> Does this content:
>
> <div>
> <para xmlns="http://docbook.org/ns/docbook">
> This is some text.
> </para>
> </div>
>
> produce something isomorphic to what an XML parser would produce for
> this:
>
> <div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
> <para>
> This is some text.
> </para>
> </div>
David Carlisle is correct that this document will also have an attribute
named 'xmlns' on the <para> element. Such an attribute is impossible to
create by an xmlns aware XML parser.
> And, moving into the way elements with specific local names are
> recognized, is this:
>
> <div>
> <para xmlns="http://docbook.org/ns/docbook">
> This is some<link>text</link>.
> </para>
> </div>
>
> Like this:
>
> <div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
> <para>
> This is some
> <link></link>
> text.
> </para>
> </div>
>
> Or does more fixup occur, like ending the para too? (I'm experimenting
> with "inspect element" in Google Chrome 8.0.552.231 on the Mac to
> inform my guesses, but I don't assert anything about how Chrome deals
> with HTML5, so...)
Closer to the following (where all elements are in the
http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml namespace):
<div>
<para xmlns="http://docbook.org/ns/docbook">
This is some <link/>text.
</para>
</div>
The only difference is the whitespace.
> What about this:
>
> <div>
> <script type="application/xml">
> <para xmlns="http://docbook.org/ns/docbook">
> This is a<link>link</link>.
> </para>
> </script>
> </div>
>
> Is it like this?
>
> <div xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
> <script type="application/xml">
> <para>
> This is a<link>link</link>.
> </para>
> </script>
> </div>
Correct
> Or can I get the content of the script parsed into the DOM object I
> might naively expect such that I can access it with JavaScript?
Yes:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2010/10/15/domparser-and-xmlserializer-in-ie9-beta.aspx
(Note: this works across browsers that support HTML5)
> Be seeing you,
> norm
- Sam Ruby
Received on Thursday, 6 January 2011 16:27:40 UTC