- From: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
- Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2012 12:36:03 -0500
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http://www.w3.org/2012/02/16-html-wg-minutes.html
HTML Weekly Teleconference
16 Feb 2012
[2]Agenda
[2]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2012JanMar/0015.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2012/02/16-html-wg-irc
Attendees
Present
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
rubys
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]ACTION items due by Thursday, February 16
2. [6]New Issues This Week
3. [7]Items Closed Last Week
4. [8]Items Closing This Week
5. [9]Items Closing Next Week
6. [10]New Calls this week
7. [11]New Surveys this week
8. [12]Decisions this week
9. [13]Other Business
10. [14]re-open request for issue 31
11. [15]Request to Reconsider Meta Generator Alt Exception
12. [16]i18n WG position on Issue-172 "restore <rb> as an
optional element"
13. [17]Change proposal reviews
14. [18]Chair and Scribe for next meeting
15. [19]Adjournment
* [20]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 16 February 2012
ACTION items due by Thursday, February 16
paulc: none
<scribe> scribe: rubys
New Issues This Week
issue-204?
<trackbot> ISSUE-204 -- Exempt ARIA attributes from the rule that
prohibits reference to hidden elements -- open
<trackbot> [21]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
[21] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
paulc: split off issue 30
issue-205?
<trackbot> ISSUE-205 -- Define what author guidance and/or methods
should be provided to those that wish to create accessible text
editors using canvas as a rendering surface. -- open
<trackbot> [22]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/205
[22] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/205
paulc: split off issue 131, simplifying that issue
issue-80?
<trackbot> ISSUE-80 -- document conformance and device dependent
display of title attribute content -- open
<trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/80
[23] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/80
reopened:
[24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0105.htm
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[24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0105.html
paulc: one tracker request (escallation on a non-last call item)
<paulc_>
[25]http://w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML+WG&keywords=T
rackerRequest
[25]
http://w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML+WG&keywords=TrackerRequest
paulc: chairs are prioritizing last-call items first, we have not
processed this request
Items Closed Last Week
judy: I have comments on 204
paulc: go ahead
judy: Janina and I are requesting a co-ordination call with you
(paulc) on the split of issue-30 and the timing
paulc: can you put a link in the minutes to the concerns?
judy: it would be valuable to have a call
paulc: I will check my calendar
judy: if you aren't available, I would appreciate meeting with at
least one of the co-chairs
paulc: send us an email, and we will find a slot that works
issue-172?
<trackbot> ISSUE-172 -- restore <rb> as an optional element -- open
<trackbot> [26]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/172
[26] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/172
issue-183?
<trackbot> ISSUE-183 -- Enhance and simplify the time element --
open
<trackbot> [27]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183
[27] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/183
issue-184?
<trackbot> ISSUE-184 -- Add a data element -- open
<trackbot> [28]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/184
[28] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/184
three call for alternate proposals above closed on Feb 11
issue-131?
<trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to
canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
<trackbot> [29]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
[29] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
issue-179?
<trackbot> ISSUE-179 -- {audio,video} require param child (or
equivalent) -- open
<trackbot> [30]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/179
[30] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/179
both call for proposals closed Feb 11
paulc: this agenda doesn't cover items that closed yesterday (or
today)
... if there are no change proposals, expect the issue to be closed.
If there are no counters, expect a call for consensus
Items Closing This Week
issue-193?
<trackbot> ISSUE-193 -- Remove CSS example that promotes
inaccessible content -- open
<trackbot> [31]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/193
[31] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/193
issue-194?
<trackbot> ISSUE-194 -- Provide a mechanism for associating a full
transcript with an audio or video element. -- open
<trackbot> [32]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/194
[32] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/194
issue-195?
<trackbot> ISSUE-195 -- Enhance http request generation from forms
-- raised
<trackbot> [33]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/195
[33] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/195
issue-196?
<trackbot> ISSUE-196 -- Define user agent http response handling
behaviour -- raised
<trackbot> [34]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/196
[34] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/196
issue-197?
<trackbot> ISSUE-197 -- Accept attribute should allow file
extensions in addition to the current allowed values -- open
<trackbot> [35]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/197
[35] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/197
paulc: all the above closed yesterday
issue-182?
<trackbot> ISSUE-182 -- Advice in spec about annotations promotes
inaccessible content -- open
<trackbot> [36]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/182
[36] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/182
issue-185?
<trackbot> ISSUE-185 -- Drop the pubdate attribute -- open
<trackbot> [37]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/185
[37] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/185
issue-188?
<trackbot> ISSUE-188 -- Text tracks in HTML should be defined in a
way agnostic of the specific caption format -- open
<trackbot> [38]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/188
[38] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/188
issue-189?
<trackbot> ISSUE-189 -- Prefix convention needs to be coordinated
with IETF -- open
<trackbot> [39]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189
[39] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/189
issue-198?
<trackbot> ISSUE-198 -- Ensure innerHTML and related APIs are
subject to the W3C patent policy -- raised
<trackbot> [40]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/198
[40] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/198
issue-199?
<trackbot> ISSUE-199 -- Define complete processing requirements for
ARIA attributes -- raised
<trackbot> [41]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/199
[41] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/199
issue-200?
<trackbot> ISSUE-200 -- Allow wrapping LEGEND (or new iLEGEND) in
non-FIELDSET elements -- raised
<trackbot> [42]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/200
[42] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/200
issue-201?
<trackbot> ISSUE-201 -- Provide canvas location and hit testing
capability to fallback content -- open
<trackbot> [43]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201
[43] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/201
issue-202?
<trackbot> ISSUE-202 -- Missing alt should not be considered
conforming in the presence of figcaptions over 50 words in length --
raised
<trackbot> [44]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/202
[44] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/202
issue-203?
<trackbot> ISSUE-203 -- All Media Elements should have the ability
to have both short and longer textual descriptions associated to the
element -- raised
<trackbot> [45]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/203
[45] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/203
paulc: the above closes today
<Judy> With reference to agendum # 1 above, and the request to meet
w/ Paul or another Co-Chair regarding procedural concerns about new
issue #204, background is in Text Subteam minutes, with notes
following "30: Longdesc"
[46]http://www.w3.org/2012/02/14-text-minutes.html#item01
[46] http://www.w3.org/2012/02/14-text-minutes.html#item01
Items Closing Next Week
issue-187?
<trackbot> ISSUE-187 -- Document conformance has to be stable over
the time -- open
<trackbot> [47]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/187
[47] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/187
issue-190?
<trackbot> ISSUE-190 -- Replace poor coding example for figure with
multiple images -- open
<trackbot> [48]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/190
[48] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/190
issue-191?
<trackbot> ISSUE-191 -- Replace/complement <ins> and <del> elements
by a cleaner wysiwyg-safe attribute-based solution -- open
<trackbot> [49]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/191
[49] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/191
issue-192?
<trackbot> ISSUE-192 -- title attribute definition does not match
reality -- open
<trackbot> [50]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/192
[50] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/192
paulc: these four close Feb 23
New Calls this week
issue-80?
<trackbot> ISSUE-80 -- document conformance and device dependent
display of title attribute content -- open
<trackbot> [51]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/80
[51] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/80
paulc: this was reopened, and as we got a change proposal, we have
issued a call for alternate or counter proposals closing March 14
issue-131?
<trackbot> ISSUE-131 -- Should we add a caret location API to
canvas, or is the focus API sufficient? -- open
<trackbot> [52]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
[52] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/131
paulc: we have proposals, so we have issued a call for alternate or
counters, also closing on march 14th
issue-158?
<trackbot> ISSUE-158 -- HTML4's content-model for <object> should
continue -- open
<trackbot> [53]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/158
[53] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/158
paulc: also closed on March 14th
issue-204?
<trackbot> ISSUE-204 -- Exempt ARIA attributes from the rule that
prohibits reference to hidden elements -- open
<trackbot> [54]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
[54] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/204
paulc: we granted until March 10th to provide a proposal
issue-205?
<trackbot> ISSUE-205 -- Define what author guidance and/or methods
should be provided to those that wish to create accessible text
editors using canvas as a rendering surface. -- open
<trackbot> [55]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/205
[55] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/205
paulc: call for alternate or counter proposals closes march 14th
New Surveys this week
paulc: there are none
Decisions this week
paulc: there are none
Other Business
[56]http://www.w3.org/QA/2012/02/openweb-weekly-27.html
[56] http://www.w3.org/QA/2012/02/openweb-weekly-27.html
paulc: this is nearly two weeks old, there may be a more recent one
re-open request for issue 31
[57]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0139.htm
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[57] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0139.html
paulc: we originally could not find new information, and the a11y
task force is working on a revised version
janina: we have a strong interest in having this taken up again; the
proposal has significantly been beefed up.
... unclear that this was dealt with appropriately originally
... we are now pointing to the original decision to justify the
reopening
<paulc_> Revised request is in:
[58]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/movealt
[58] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/movealt
janina: we should have a email to the chairs and wg by monday
Request to Reconsider Meta Generator Alt Exception
paulc: the chairs have reviewed this request and will be responding
today
i18n WG position on Issue-172 "restore <rb> as an optional element"
[59]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0103.htm
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[59] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0103.html
[60]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0197.htm
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[60] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2012Feb/0197.html
paulc: chairs want to make it clear what the next status is
Change proposal reviews
issue-30?
<trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute
for images -- open
<trackbot> [61]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30
[61] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/30
paulc: we have having a dialog with Laura on 30
issue-170?
<trackbot> ISSUE-170 -- make URIs valid link relations -- open
<trackbot> [62]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/170
[62] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/170
paulc: we are having dialogs with the authors of the proposals on
170
issue-134?
<trackbot> ISSUE-134 -- Provide tablist and tab states for menu and
command elements respectively -- open
<trackbot> [63]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/134
[63] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/134
paulc: the chairs are having dialogs with the various authors and
the WG can expect more
janina: Thanks for 134, I am concerned about recent developments
around longdesc, this is not just Laura's proposal but a TaskForce
backed proposal
... we are disappointed that a split off happened based on ARIA, it
would have been helpful to have been coordinating that more closely
paulc: janina is repeating judy's concerns about issue 204
... the feedback on 30 was to put the material relevant to the
change proposal in the proposal itself
judy: there appears to have been changes in the advice over time
over this
... in the past, we were advised to put in links; perhaps we could
get more uniform guidance?
paulc: the underlying principle is to help the CP authors to make
their case as possible; in this case we found some arguments that we
thought the author could use to make their proposal stronger; if the
authors don't wish to make their proposal stronger, that's their
choice.
judy: I'm hearing that you prefer all of the text to be a single
page?
paulc: we review each on their merits, and in this case we thought
this particular proposal would be improved by making this specific
text into the base text.
... any other business to raise?
Chair and Scribe for next meeting
paulc: Maciej likely will be the chair
glenn: I can scribe
Adjournment
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