- From: Edward O'Connor <eoconnor@apple.com>
- Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 09:35:46 -0700
- To: public-html-wg-announce@w3.org
- Cc: "Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> (janina@rednote.net)" <janina@rednote.net>, Kris Krueger <krisk@microsoft.com>
The minutes for our July 7th weekly teleconference are available in HTML at: http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-html-wg-minutes.html and in plain text below: [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - HTML Weekly Teleconference 07 Jul 2011 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011JulSep/0000.html Attendees Present Regrets Chair SV_MEETING_CHAIR Scribe hober Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]Action items due by Thursday, July 7 2. [5]New issues this week 3. [6]Items closed last week 4. [7]Items closing this week 5. [8]Items closing next week 6. [9]New calls this week 7. [10]New surveys this week 8. [11]Decisions this week 9. [12]TF reports 10. [13]A11Y TF report 11. [14]TAG issue on HTML+RDFa & Microdata 12. [15]Other business 13. [16]TPAC registration 14. [17]Chair & scribe for next meeting 15. [18]Adjournment * [19]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ <pimpbot> planet: Oli Studholme: A love letter to the CSS Working Group <11[20]http://oli.jp/2011/csswg-love/> 4** Oli Studholme: CSS3 Flexbox vs A Princess Bride <11[21]http://oli.jp/2011/css3-flexbox/> [20] http://oli.jp/2011/csswg-love/ [21] http://oli.jp/2011/css3-flexbox/ <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13167] New: Using an existing application cache without having a master entry in the application group (cache the master entry) <11[22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011 Jul/0249.html> [22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0249.html <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13168] New: Creating or using an existing application cache without caching the master entry <11[23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011 Jul/0250.html> [23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0250.html <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13169] New: Why aren't placeholders available on Date/Time fields? It seems to me they should. <11[24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011 Jul/0251.html> [24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0251.html <pimpbot> planet: Oli Studholme: Blockquote problems and solutions <11[25]http://oli.jp/2011/blockquote/> [25] http://oli.jp/2011/blockquote/ <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13170] New: Inconsistent "fallback name" vs "fallback property name" <11[26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011 Jul/0252.html> 4** [Bug 13170] Inconsistent "fallback name" vs "fallback property name" <11[27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011 Jul/0253.html> 4** [Bug 13169] Why aren't placeholders available on Date/Time fields? It seems to me they should. <11[28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ [26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0252.html [27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0253.html [28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13060] Consider MJPG files like <video> when used as the image argument for drawImage() <11[29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011 Jul/0255.html> [29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0255.html <pimpbot> planet: Mounir Lamouri: The HTML progress element in Firefox <11[30]http://blog.oldworld.fr/index.php?post/2011/07/The-HTML5-prog ress-element-in-Firefox> [30] http://blog.oldworld.fr/index.php?post/2011/07/The-HTML5-progress-element-in-Firefox <Julian> hsivonen, you there? <pimpbot> planet: Phillip Smith: Learning lab schedule: week-by-week. Plus: new lecture by @iA CEO Oliver Reichenstein <11[31]http://www.phillipadsmith.com/2011/07/learning-lab-schedule-w eek-by-week-plus-new-lecture-by-ia-ceo-oliver-reichenstein.html> [31] http://www.phillipadsmith.com/2011/07/learning-lab-schedule-week-by-week-plus-new-lecture-by-ia-ceo-oliver-reichenstein.html <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13171] New: Status boxes overlap <11[32]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011 Jul/0256.html> 4** [Bug 13171] Status boxes overlap <11[33]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011 Jul/0257.html> [32] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0256.html [33] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0257.html <MikeSmith> issue-163? <trackbot> ISSUE-163 -- Need a means for navigating between related timed tracks of media elements -- closed <trackbot> [34]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/163 [34] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/163 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-163: Need a means for navigating between related timed tracks of media elements - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org) <paulc> trackbot, start meeting <trackbot> Date: 07 July 2011 <pimpbot> changes: sam: Change proposal for issue 165 <11[35]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Jul /0003.html> [35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Jul/0003.html <pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-07-07: Actions, Issue status Decisions, TF reports, TAG issue from Paul Cotton on 2011-07-05 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from July to September 2011) (at lists.w3.org) <scribe> ScribeNick: hober Action items due by Thursday, July 7 paulc: There are none New issues this week paulc: There are none Items closed last week ISSUE-134? <trackbot> ISSUE-134 -- Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively -- open <trackbot> [36]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/134 [36] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/134 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-134: Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org) <pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13173] New: <input type="url"> should accept URLs with protocol omitted <11[37]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011 Jul/0258.html> 4** [Bug 13173] <input type="url"> should accept URLs with protocol omitted <11[38]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011 Jul/0259.html> [37] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0258.html [38] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0259.html ISSUE-150? <trackbot> ISSUE-150 -- consider reducing verbosity when talking about code points -- open <trackbot> [39]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/150 [39] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/150 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-150: consider reducing verbosity when talking about code points - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org) ISSUE-163? <trackbot> ISSUE-163 -- Need a means for navigating between related timed tracks of media elements -- closed <trackbot> [40]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/163 [40] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/163 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-163: Need a means for navigating between related timed tracks of media elements - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org) paulc: ISSUE-163 closed without prejudice ISSUE-164? <trackbot> ISSUE-164 -- remove or modify hgroup -- open <trackbot> [41]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/164 [41] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/164 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-164: remove or modify hgroup - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org) paulc: two change proposals received Items closing this week ISSUE-151? <trackbot> ISSUE-151 -- Remove WhatWG and html5.org references in status section of document -- open <trackbot> [42]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/151 [42] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/151 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-151: Remove WhatWG and html5.org references in status section of document - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org) paulc: call for counter proposals closes tomorrow ISSUE-165? <trackbot> ISSUE-165 -- Drop rel=pingback -- open <trackbot> [43]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/165 [43] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/165 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-165: Drop rel=pingback - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org) ISSUE-134? <trackbot> ISSUE-134 -- Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively -- open <trackbot> [44]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/134 [44] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/134 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-134: Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org) paulc: Call for Consensus to close by amicable resolution closes Jul 12 ISSUE-150? <trackbot> ISSUE-150 -- consider reducing verbosity when talking about code points -- open <trackbot> [45]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/150 [45] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/150 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-150: consider reducing verbosity when talking about code points - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org) paulc: same as ISSUE-134, no counter proposals received Items closing next week paulc: There are none New calls this week ISSUE-134? <trackbot> ISSUE-134 -- Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively -- open <trackbot> [46]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/134 [46] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/134 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-134: Provide tablist and tab states for menu and command elements respectively - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org) ISSUE-150? <trackbot> ISSUE-150 -- consider reducing verbosity when talking about code points -- open <trackbot> [47]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/150 [47] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/150 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-150: consider reducing verbosity when talking about code points - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org) ISSUE-164? <trackbot> ISSUE-164 -- remove or modify hgroup -- open <trackbot> [48]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/164 [48] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/164 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-164: remove or modify hgroup - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org) paulc: Call for Counter-Proposals closes Aug 2 ISSUE-168? <trackbot> ISSUE-168 -- Remove typemustmatch -- raised <trackbot> [49]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/168 [49] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/168 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-168: Remove typemustmatch - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org) paulc: Call for Change Proposals closes Aug 2 ... empties queue of outstanding issues New surveys this week paulc: There are none Decisions this week ISSUE-163? <trackbot> ISSUE-163 -- Need a means for navigating between related timed tracks of media elements -- closed <trackbot> [50]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/163 [50] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/163 <pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-163: Need a means for navigating between related timed tracks of media elements - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org) paulc: no change proposals received, closed without prejudice TF reports paulc: No report from testing task force, they're meeting next week A11Y TF report janina: biggest issue is canvas ... need a little bit more to make it accessible <paulc> thanks Julian. janina: rich will be filing two bugs ... media group has had major progress in handling hierarchical navigation ... might require little or no change to existing spec ... down to two approaches ... may need an additional attribute ... once we've tested impls of solutions, will want informative text in spec ... re: poster="" alt text, may need decision reconsidered ... aria-describedby won't cut it ... working on refining the figcaption decision ... working on proposals to deal with corner cases ... plan to post examples to list where it breaks ... re: considering a change proposal for table summary paulc: making progress on many fronts ... i suggested the tf file granular bugs re: canvas accessibility ... request p1 so they will be addressed asap ... rich will take on that action very soon TAG issue on HTML+RDFa & Microdata paulc: manu sent note to TAG with membership suggestions for TF ... reply & volunteer to join if anyone is interested ... we've opened two bugs [51]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13100 [51] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13100 <pimpbot> 1113100: mike+html-wg-mailbot, P1, NEW, 13TAG issue on HTML+RDFa and Microdata last call drafts [52]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13101 [52] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13101 <pimpbot> 1113101: mike, P1, ASSIGNED, 13TAG issue on HTML+RDFa and Microdata last call drafts paulc: discussion happening in both bugs ... if interested, cc yourself on the bugs Other business paulc: status of publication of "author-only" view Working Draft, Mike Smith MikeSmith: it's not yet published ... working on making the js popups keyboard accessible ... adding tabindex, aria markup to the popup markup ... breaks pubrules ... which require HTML4 or XHTML 1 doctype ... would validate if the document had HTML5 doctype ... working on resolving this, talking to plh and others ... will email list when progress is made paulc: do we have a bug on the documents re: publishing them in html5? MikeSmith: there was one on the polyglot spec ... it's been published with html5 doctype rubys: polyglot spec was published as XHTML5 ... so it's not a clear precedent here paulc: please continue negotiating with pubrules team etc <rubys> +1 MikeSmith: aiming to get this resolved by the end of next week <paulc> The WG appreciates all the "heavy lifting" on publication of documents that Mike is doing. janina: should be able to publish HTML4+ARIA soon MikeSmith: that's not a solution for me ... I think it's pretty important for this group to be able to publish its documents in its own doctype ... working towards getting the comm team to agree TPAC registration paulc: registration period has just opened ... TPAC is first week of November, at the Marriott in Santa Clara ... HTML WG meeting that Thurs/Fri ... we have two rooms booked ... will likely do two-track unconference like the last two years ... 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