- From: Edward O'Connor <eoconnor@apple.com>
- Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 09:35:46 -0700
- To: public-html-wg-announce@w3.org
- Cc: "Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> (janina@rednote.net)" <janina@rednote.net>, Kris Krueger <krisk@microsoft.com>
The minutes for our July 7th weekly teleconference are available in HTML at:
http://www.w3.org/2011/07/07-html-wg-minutes.html
and in plain text below:
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
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HTML Weekly Teleconference
07 Jul 2011
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2011JulSep/0000.html
Attendees
Present
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
hober
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Action items due by Thursday, July 7
2. [5]New issues this week
3. [6]Items closed last week
4. [7]Items closing this week
5. [8]Items closing next week
6. [9]New calls this week
7. [10]New surveys this week
8. [11]Decisions this week
9. [12]TF reports
10. [13]A11Y TF report
11. [14]TAG issue on HTML+RDFa & Microdata
12. [15]Other business
13. [16]TPAC registration
14. [17]Chair & scribe for next meeting
15. [18]Adjournment
* [19]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<pimpbot> planet: Oli Studholme: A love letter to the CSS Working
Group <11[20]http://oli.jp/2011/csswg-love/> 4** Oli Studholme: CSS3
Flexbox vs A Princess Bride <11[21]http://oli.jp/2011/css3-flexbox/>
[20] http://oli.jp/2011/csswg-love/
[21] http://oli.jp/2011/css3-flexbox/
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13167] New: Using an existing application
cache without having a master entry in the application group (cache
the master entry)
<11[22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011
Jul/0249.html>
[22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0249.html
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13168] New: Creating or using an existing
application cache without caching the master entry
<11[23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011
Jul/0250.html>
[23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0250.html
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13169] New: Why aren't placeholders
available on Date/Time fields? It seems to me they should.
<11[24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011
Jul/0251.html>
[24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0251.html
<pimpbot> planet: Oli Studholme: Blockquote problems and solutions
<11[25]http://oli.jp/2011/blockquote/>
[25] http://oli.jp/2011/blockquote/
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13170] New: Inconsistent "fallback name" vs
"fallback property name"
<11[26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011
Jul/0252.html> 4** [Bug 13170] Inconsistent "fallback name" vs
"fallback property name"
<11[27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011
Jul/0253.html> 4** [Bug 13169] Why aren't placeholders available on
Date/Time fields? It seems to me they should.
<11[28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/
[26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0252.html
[27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0253.html
[28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13060] Consider MJPG files like <video> when
used as the image argument for drawImage()
<11[29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011
Jul/0255.html>
[29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0255.html
<pimpbot> planet: Mounir Lamouri: The HTML progress element in
Firefox
<11[30]http://blog.oldworld.fr/index.php?post/2011/07/The-HTML5-prog
ress-element-in-Firefox>
[30] http://blog.oldworld.fr/index.php?post/2011/07/The-HTML5-progress-element-in-Firefox
<Julian> hsivonen, you there?
<pimpbot> planet: Phillip Smith: Learning lab schedule:
week-by-week. Plus: new lecture by @iA CEO Oliver Reichenstein
<11[31]http://www.phillipadsmith.com/2011/07/learning-lab-schedule-w
eek-by-week-plus-new-lecture-by-ia-ceo-oliver-reichenstein.html>
[31] http://www.phillipadsmith.com/2011/07/learning-lab-schedule-week-by-week-plus-new-lecture-by-ia-ceo-oliver-reichenstein.html
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13171] New: Status boxes overlap
<11[32]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011
Jul/0256.html> 4** [Bug 13171] Status boxes overlap
<11[33]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011
Jul/0257.html>
[32] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0256.html
[33] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0257.html
<MikeSmith> issue-163?
<trackbot> ISSUE-163 -- Need a means for navigating between related
timed tracks of media elements -- closed
<trackbot> [34]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/163
[34] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/163
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-163: Need a means for navigating between
related timed tracks of media elements - HTML Weekly Tracker (at
www.w3.org)
<paulc> trackbot, start meeting
<trackbot> Date: 07 July 2011
<pimpbot> changes: sam: Change proposal for issue 165
<11[35]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Jul
/0003.html>
[35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-diffs/2011Jul/0003.html
<pimpbot> Title: {agenda} HTML WG telecon 2011-07-07: Actions, Issue
status Decisions, TF reports, TAG issue from Paul Cotton on
2011-07-05 (public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from July to September
2011) (at lists.w3.org)
<scribe> ScribeNick: hober
Action items due by Thursday, July 7
paulc: There are none
New issues this week
paulc: There are none
Items closed last week
ISSUE-134?
<trackbot> ISSUE-134 -- Provide tablist and tab states for menu and
command elements respectively -- open
<trackbot> [36]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/134
[36] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/134
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-134: Provide tablist and tab states for menu
and command elements respectively - HTML Weekly Tracker (at
www.w3.org)
<pimpbot> bugmail: [Bug 13173] New: <input type="url"> should accept
URLs with protocol omitted
<11[37]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011
Jul/0258.html> 4** [Bug 13173] <input type="url"> should accept URLs
with protocol omitted
<11[38]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011
Jul/0259.html>
[37] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0258.html
[38] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-bugzilla/2011Jul/0259.html
ISSUE-150?
<trackbot> ISSUE-150 -- consider reducing verbosity when talking
about code points -- open
<trackbot> [39]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/150
[39] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/150
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-150: consider reducing verbosity when talking
about code points - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-163?
<trackbot> ISSUE-163 -- Need a means for navigating between related
timed tracks of media elements -- closed
<trackbot> [40]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/163
[40] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/163
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-163: Need a means for navigating between
related timed tracks of media elements - HTML Weekly Tracker (at
www.w3.org)
paulc: ISSUE-163 closed without prejudice
ISSUE-164?
<trackbot> ISSUE-164 -- remove or modify hgroup -- open
<trackbot> [41]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/164
[41] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/164
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-164: remove or modify hgroup - HTML Weekly
Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: two change proposals received
Items closing this week
ISSUE-151?
<trackbot> ISSUE-151 -- Remove WhatWG and html5.org references in
status section of document -- open
<trackbot> [42]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/151
[42] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/151
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-151: Remove WhatWG and html5.org references
in status section of document - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: call for counter proposals closes tomorrow
ISSUE-165?
<trackbot> ISSUE-165 -- Drop rel=pingback -- open
<trackbot> [43]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/165
[43] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/165
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-165: Drop rel=pingback - HTML Weekly Tracker
(at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-134?
<trackbot> ISSUE-134 -- Provide tablist and tab states for menu and
command elements respectively -- open
<trackbot> [44]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/134
[44] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/134
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-134: Provide tablist and tab states for menu
and command elements respectively - HTML Weekly Tracker (at
www.w3.org)
paulc: Call for Consensus to close by amicable resolution closes Jul
12
ISSUE-150?
<trackbot> ISSUE-150 -- consider reducing verbosity when talking
about code points -- open
<trackbot> [45]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/150
[45] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/150
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-150: consider reducing verbosity when talking
about code points - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: same as ISSUE-134, no counter proposals received
Items closing next week
paulc: There are none
New calls this week
ISSUE-134?
<trackbot> ISSUE-134 -- Provide tablist and tab states for menu and
command elements respectively -- open
<trackbot> [46]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/134
[46] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/134
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-134: Provide tablist and tab states for menu
and command elements respectively - HTML Weekly Tracker (at
www.w3.org)
ISSUE-150?
<trackbot> ISSUE-150 -- consider reducing verbosity when talking
about code points -- open
<trackbot> [47]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/150
[47] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/150
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-150: consider reducing verbosity when talking
about code points - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
ISSUE-164?
<trackbot> ISSUE-164 -- remove or modify hgroup -- open
<trackbot> [48]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/164
[48] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/164
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-164: remove or modify hgroup - HTML Weekly
Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: Call for Counter-Proposals closes Aug 2
ISSUE-168?
<trackbot> ISSUE-168 -- Remove typemustmatch -- raised
<trackbot> [49]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/168
[49] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/168
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-168: Remove typemustmatch - HTML Weekly
Tracker (at www.w3.org)
paulc: Call for Change Proposals closes Aug 2
... empties queue of outstanding issues
New surveys this week
paulc: There are none
Decisions this week
ISSUE-163?
<trackbot> ISSUE-163 -- Need a means for navigating between related
timed tracks of media elements -- closed
<trackbot> [50]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/163
[50] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/163
<pimpbot> Title: ISSUE-163: Need a means for navigating between
related timed tracks of media elements - HTML Weekly Tracker (at
www.w3.org)
paulc: no change proposals received, closed without prejudice
TF reports
paulc: No report from testing task force, they're meeting next week
A11Y TF report
janina: biggest issue is canvas
... need a little bit more to make it accessible
<paulc> thanks Julian.
janina: rich will be filing two bugs
... media group has had major progress in handling hierarchical
navigation
... might require little or no change to existing spec
... down to two approaches
... may need an additional attribute
... once we've tested impls of solutions, will want informative text
in spec
... re: poster="" alt text, may need decision reconsidered
... aria-describedby won't cut it
... working on refining the figcaption decision
... working on proposals to deal with corner cases
... plan to post examples to list where it breaks
... re: considering a change proposal for table summary
paulc: making progress on many fronts
... i suggested the tf file granular bugs re: canvas accessibility
... request p1 so they will be addressed asap
... rich will take on that action very soon
TAG issue on HTML+RDFa & Microdata
paulc: manu sent note to TAG with membership suggestions for TF
... reply & volunteer to join if anyone is interested
... we've opened two bugs
[51]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13100
[51] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13100
<pimpbot> 1113100: mike+html-wg-mailbot, P1, NEW, 13TAG issue on
HTML+RDFa and Microdata last call drafts
[52]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13101
[52] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13101
<pimpbot> 1113101: mike, P1, ASSIGNED, 13TAG issue on HTML+RDFa and
Microdata last call drafts
paulc: discussion happening in both bugs
... if interested, cc yourself on the bugs
Other business
paulc: status of publication of "author-only" view Working Draft,
Mike Smith
MikeSmith: it's not yet published
... working on making the js popups keyboard accessible
... adding tabindex, aria markup to the popup markup
... breaks pubrules
... which require HTML4 or XHTML 1 doctype
... would validate if the document had HTML5 doctype
... working on resolving this, talking to plh and others
... will email list when progress is made
paulc: do we have a bug on the documents re: publishing them in
html5?
MikeSmith: there was one on the polyglot spec
... it's been published with html5 doctype
rubys: polyglot spec was published as XHTML5
... so it's not a clear precedent here
paulc: please continue negotiating with pubrules team etc
<rubys> +1
MikeSmith: aiming to get this resolved by the end of next week
<paulc> The WG appreciates all the "heavy lifting" on publication of
documents that Mike is doing.
janina: should be able to publish HTML4+ARIA soon
MikeSmith: that's not a solution for me
... I think it's pretty important for this group to be able to
publish its documents in its own doctype
... working towards getting the comm team to agree
TPAC registration
paulc: registration period has just opened
... TPAC is first week of November, at the Marriott in Santa Clara
... HTML WG meeting that Thurs/Fri
... we have two rooms booked
... will likely do two-track unconference like the last two years
... W3C asks participants to book at event hotel, helps with total
costs
Chair & scribe for next meeting
paulc: mjs' turn to chair
... no volunteers to scribe
Adjournment
<adrianba> regrets for next week
Summary of Action Items
[End of minutes]
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