- From: Anne van Kesteren <annevk@opera.com>
- Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 18:47:41 +0200
- To: public-html-wg-announce@w3.org
http://www.w3.org/2009/09/24-html-wg-minutes.html
Attendees
Present
Eliot_Graff, carlos, Cynthia_Shelly, Sam, Matt, jerryEzrol,
[Microsoft], Radhika_Roy, kliehm, +1.503.712.aaaa, julian,
laura, msporny, Cooper, anne, Rich, [Apple], Mike, adrianba
Chair
paulc
Scribe
anne
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Agenda
2. [6]ACTION-138 -- produce a matrix based on HS' work
3. [7]ACTION-143 -- on PC; testing task force
4. [8]about URI scheme
5. [9]update IRI spec based on comments
6. [10]outstanding CfC
7. [11]HTML+RDFa
8. [12]Joint HTML and PF WG Accessibility Task Force
9. [13]7. HTML WG Testing Task Force
10. [14]drag and drop discussion
11. [15]discussion of summary
* [16]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 24 September 2009
<paulc> PaulC just joined.
<scribe> scribe: anne
<mjs> hi all
<julian> [17]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda
[17] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/agenda
<pimpbot> Title: Input for Agenda Planning for the HTML Weekly -
HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
[18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2009
JulSep/0044.html
[18]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2009JulSep/0044.html
<pimpbot> Title: Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-09-24 - CfCs,
Accessibility TF, Testing TF, etc. from Paul Cotton on 2009-09-22
(public-html-wg-announce@w3.org from July to September 2009) (at
lists.w3.org)
<pimpbot> Title: FW: Agenda for HTML WG telcon 2009-09-24 - CfCs,
Accessibility TF, Testing TF, etc. from Paul Cotton on 2009-09-22
(public-html@w3.org from September 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
Agenda
PC: comments on the agenda? missed actions/items?
... lets assume this is ok
<paulc> Topic ISSUE-35/ACTION-138: Produce a matrix based on Henri's
work [Steve Faulkner]
RS: I had one item about drag and drop
... I want to raise an issue on it
... can be put at the end
LC: I have a procedural question about summary=""; can be put in the
end
PC: I will deal with those as item 9 and move adjourn to 10
... anything else?
ACTION-138 -- produce a matrix based on HS' work
LC: about two weeks ago Steve did a pass on that, discussed it, and
has since then not have time to work on it; it will be discussed
again the week after next
PC: lets move the action to October 8
<paulc> change due date to oct 8
LC: sounds good
<MikeSmith> action-138 due 2009-10-08
<trackbot> ACTION-138 Produce a matrix based on Henri's work due
date now 2009-10-08
<paulc> Topic ACTION-143: Get co-chairs to bring forward a concrete
proposal for a testing task force (including scope) [Paul Cotton]
ACTION-143 -- on PC; testing task force
ACTION-143?
<trackbot> ACTION-143 -- Paul Cotton to get co-chairs to bring
forward a concrete proposal for a testing task force (including
scope) -- due 2009-09-17 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [19]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/143
[19] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/143
<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-143 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<paulc> Proposal:
[20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0687.htm
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[20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0687.html
<pimpbot> Title: RE: HTML WG Testing Task Force from Paul Cotton on
2009-09-17 (public-html@w3.org from September 2009) (at
lists.w3.org)
PC: so far we have seen positive items; it seems that creating a TF
is acceptable to everyone
... what we need now is a volunteer to get things going
... can I email to ask for volunteers?
<rubys> +1
MJS: sounds good
<adrianba> +1
<scribe> ACTION: paulc to ask for a volunteer to run the testing
Task Force [recorded in
[21]http://www.w3.org/2009/09/24-html-wg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-146 - Ask for a volunteer to run the
testing Task Force [on Paul Cotton - due 2009-10-01].
PC: we wanted a way to figure out a way to be a member of the
testing TF without getting email from the HTML WG
MS: that is not possible because the subscription list of
public-html is based on the HTML WG member database
PC: what if they explicitly unsubscribe?
MS: don't think that will work
PC: so the only recourse would be for the TF members to set up a
filter
MS: most people use some kind of filtering already so this would
just be another rule
PC: just wanted to make sure that we dealt with item 2 under the
proposal
... as AB from MS requested this feature
<paulc> The following point will NOT be possible:
<paulc> Note: We may want to figure out how to permit TF members to
avoid receiving WG email.
PC: OASIS is ahead of the W3C here
<rubys> close action 143
MS: [censored o_O]
<paulc> Topic ISSUE-54/ACTION-103: Register about: URI scheme
[Lachlan Hunt]
about URI scheme
<masinter> there was mail on the about URI scheme this week
MJS: he emailed on this last week
<masinter>
[22]http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/uri-review/current/msg01009
.html
[22]
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/uri-review/current/msg01009.html
<pimpbot> Title: [Uri-review] draft-holsten-about-uri-scheme-02 (at
www.ietf.org)
MJS: we should probably roll over the action
PC: I will change the due date to next week
<paulc> See report in
[23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0684.htm
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[23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0684.html
<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-103 Follow up on the about: scheme
Registration from Lachlan Hunt on 2009-09-17 (public-html@w3.org
from September 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
update IRI spec based on comments
<paulc> Topic ISSUE-56/ACTION-137: Update IRI spec based on comments
to Public-IRI [Larry Masinter]
<MikeSmith> action-103 due 2009-09-24
<trackbot> ACTION-103 Register about: URI scheme due date now
2009-09-24
MJS: I think LM emailed about this
<masinter> the author/editor of the about URI scheme needs to
respond to comments
<masinter> yes, i'm in TAG meeting but we're about to break
<paulc> see report in
[24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0982.htm
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[24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0982.html
<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-137 on URI/IRI/URL from Larry Masinter on
2009-09-24 (public-html@w3.org from September 2009) (at
lists.w3.org)
PC: this one appears to be in progress
<masinter> i'm not on phone but i can respond to questions on IRC
<paulc> "Updating due date to 9/28"
ACTION-137?
<trackbot> ACTION-137 -- Larry Masinter to update IRI spec based on
comments to Public-IRI (Including those from HTML-WG members), --
due 2009-09-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> [25]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/137
[25] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/137
<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-137 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<masinter> wait, should be OPEN not PENDINGREVIEW
outstanding CfC
<paulc> Topic CfC: declare WebSockets out of scope [Maciej
Stachowiak]
<masinter> i will do yet another draft, think next monday, that's
what i put in the tracker
<paulc> Resolved without objection.
PC: I believe the first one is resolved
... comments?
<rubys> action-137?
<trackbot> ACTION-137 -- Larry Masinter to update IRI spec based on
comments to Public-IRI (Including those from HTML-WG members), --
due 2009-09-28 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [26]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/137
[26] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/137
<pimpbot> Title: ACTION-137 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
<paulc> Topic CfC: Publish HTML+RDFa as First Public Working Draft
[Maciej Stachowiak]
PC: we haven't seen anyone to object to publication
... we have seen a lot of discussion on content
<paulc> Resolved without objection to publish the first public WGD
PC: resolved to publish without objection as FPWD
... I will work with Manu to get the document in shape
Manu: that's be fantastic
<scribe> ACTION: paulc to work with Manu on making HTML+RDFa ready
to publish [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2009/09/24-html-wg-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-147 - Work with Manu on making HTML+RDFa
ready to publish [on Paul Cotton - due 2009-10-01].
HTML+RDFa
Manu: after speaking with Henri and reading Maciej and Jonas'
feedback it is clear that we need to clarify the current
specification.
... with respect to DOM Level 2 and the infoset
... we'll start to move the issues from the RDFa wiki to the W3C
issue tracker
PC: do you want an action on this or is it obvious enough?
... the movement of the issues, in particular
Manu: I wanted to put them in the RDFa TF tracker
... I can email it after the telcon
MJS: I'd recommend putting them in W3C Bugzilla, not the Tracker
<paulc> tx sam
Manu: that might lead to some duplication between the RDFa and HTML
tracker
Joint HTML and PF WG Accessibility Task Force
<rubys>
[28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0956.htm
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[28] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Sep/0956.html
<pimpbot> Title: Re: Accessibility Task Force from Janina Sajka on
2009-09-23 (public-html@w3.org from September 2009) (at
lists.w3.org)
<rubys> [29]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/html-task-force
[29] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/html-task-force
<pimpbot> Title: HTML Accessibility Task Force (at www.w3.org)
PC: does anyone have any comments regarding the description on this
TF?
... we handle the patent obligation by requiring members of the TF
to be a member of the HTML WG
<paulc> Who are the Task Force Facilitators?
<scribe> ACTION: paulc to recruit a Task Force facilitator for the
HTML WG [recorded in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2009/09/24-html-wg-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-148 - Recruit a Task Force facilitator for
the HTML WG [on Paul Cotton - due 2009-10-01].
MC: can we record a formal resolution?
MJS: if we want to record a resolution we should probably issue a
CfC on the mailing list
<scribe> ACTION: maciej to issue a CfC to approve the accessibility
Task Force and testing Task Force [recorded in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2009/09/24-html-wg-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-149 - Issue a CfC to approve the
accessibility Task Force and testing Task Force [on Maciej
Stachowiak - due 2009-10-01].
7. HTML WG Testing Task Force
<paulc> Done above under the action items.
drag and drop discussion
RS: the problem we have with the current specification is that it is
mouse specific
AvK: actually, the specification is already written in a way that it
is keyboard accessible
... as a copy and paste operation
MJS: the current specification dispatches the same events for copy
and paste and drag and drop
RS: we need to create an issue
MJS: I would prefer to start with a bug in the bug tracker
RS: who creates the bug?
MJS: I would recommend you do it since you understand the issue
You want:
[32]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=HTML%20WG
[32] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=HTML%20WG
<pimpbot> Title: Log in to Bugzilla (at www.w3.org)
<paulc> ack
richardschwerdtfe, ^^
MK: drag and drop has been under fire recently
<julian>
[33]http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2009/09/the_html5_drag.h
tml
[33]
http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2009/09/the_html5_drag.html
<pimpbot> Title: QuirksBlog: The HTML5 drag and drop disaster (at
www.quirksmode.org)
MK: I think people have asked to remove it from the HTML5
specification, rewrite it, and handle it as a separate draft
PC: so what you're saying is that this issue might be subsumed by
drag and drop might be done in a different way
<masinter> +1 to removing drag and drop, brings in all kinds of
stuff
MK: yes
MJS: lets keep this as a separate issue
PC: agreed
MJS: Firefox, Safari, and Internet Explorer all implement the
current model and it is therefore unlikely to go away
... but we can discuss this offline
discussion of summary
LC: [scribe missed]
MJS: the bug tracker should not affect your action on creating an
alternative draft
<julian> one of the bugs related to summary is
[34]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7633
[34] http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7633
LC, PC: thanks MJS
<pimpbot> 117633: shelleyp@burningbird.net, P2, REOPENED, 13The use
of @summary should be encouraged when circumstances warrant
PC: volunteer to scribe next week?
<paulc> Topic Scribe for next meeting
PC: no volunteers
... adjourned
--
Anne van Kesteren
http://annevankesteren.nl/
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