- From: Michael(tm) Smith <mike@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:04:08 +0900
- To: public-html-wg-announce@w3.org
The following are minutes of the W3C HTML Working Group telcon on
2008-07-24.
http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-html-wg-minutes.html
Present
Julian, DanC.a, ChrisWilson, Mike, +1.425.646.aaaa, smedero,
laura, Cynthia_Shelly, ed_work, [Microsoft]
Chair
MikeSmith
Scribe
ChrisWilson
* [4]Topics
1. [5]Convene meeting, review agenda
2. [6]tracker status definitions
3. [7]"URL" definition in HTML5 spec
4. [8]SVG in HTML
5. [9]ISSUE-35 aria-processing
6. [10]Next meeting
* [11]Summary of Action Items
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Convene meeting, review agenda
cw: did want to make sure people looked at tracker definitions:
<smedero> [12]http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML
[12] http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML
tracker status definitions
<Julian> I was thinking about shortly talking about other specs
starting to reference HTML5's "URL" definition (AC)
<MikeSmith> Julian: OK
<DanC> it still says "PENDINGREVIEW = The Editor has reviewed
arguments and edited spec to taste" but the editor doesn't have
write access to tracker
<DanC> last edited 2008-07-23 21:34:40
<sampablokuper> My apologies to the mtg; I'll have to leave around
17.25 BST.
<DanC> "Tracker Action State Definitions" looks fine to me
<Laura> Many thanks for reviewing and editing the Tracker
definitions. It is important that people work from the same meanings
to attempt shared understanding. It will aid in transparency of
process and may help avoid future misunderstandings.
<DanC> POSTPONED and CLOSED look good. e.g. "POSTPONED = The WG has
decided ..."
<Cynthia> Cynthia switched phones
will do edit to make sure it's clear chairs have responsibility
"URL" definition in HTML5 spec
"The defn of an HTML URL is an IRI, which allows non-ASCII
characters."
This makes them unsuitable for Access Control, since HTTP does not
allow non-ASCII.
<gsnedders> HTTP defines non-ASCII characters to be interpreted as
ISO-8859-1, FWIW
<Julian> gsnedders: correct, but you really want to go there for
IRIs :-)
<gsnedders> Julian: Well, it isn't worth much :)
<DanC> 8.2.2.1. Determining the character encoding
<DanC> any volunteers to make 8.2.2.1. Determining the character
encoding a separate spec so XHR can cite it?
<DanC> I'm interested to give it a try, though I'm not as expert on
character encoding issues as others
<DanC> there's a wierd "3" in [13]http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML
[13] http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML
<smedero> I think Section 2.3 URLs references a different section on
character encoding though...
<smedero>
[14]http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/dom.
html#character3
[14] http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/dom.html#character3
<DanC> last edited 2008-07-24 14:58:41
<DanC> +1 "Only the chairs should move actions to 'closed'.
Typically moving actions from PENDINGREVIEW to CLOSED will involve
review in the weekly telecon. "
<MikeSmith> action-79?
<trackbot> ACTION-79 does not exists
<MikeSmith> action-70?
<trackbot> ACTION-70 -- Chris Wilson to review/edit tracker
definitions:
[15]http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML?action=show#head-47c0b55d661dcf93f7
6d586ddbe292c9abc597e4 -- due 2008-07-24 -- CLOSED
[15] http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML?action=show#head-47c0b55d661dcf93f76d586ddbe292c9abc597e4
<trackbot> [16]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/70
[16] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/70
<MikeSmith> action-71?
<trackbot> ACTION-71 -- Chris Wilson to bring up SVG/DOM issue on
list -- due 2008-07-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> [17]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/71
[17] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/71
SVG in HTML
<DanC> MikeSmith, did you say he intends to implement the SVG WG
proposal?
<DanC> ah. yes.
<DanC> Andrew Sidwell <w3c@andrewsidwell.co.uk>
<smedero> Andrew is working on Hubub:
[18]http://www.netsurf-browser.org/projects/hubbub/
[18] http://www.netsurf-browser.org/projects/hubbub/
<smedero> "Hubbub is an HTML5 compliant parsing library, written in
C. It is currently in development for use with NetSurf and is
intended to be suitable for use in other projects too. For further
details, see the readme.
<DanC> CW: good question; it seems to come down to whether the test
says "you have to either draw the circle or show the fallback" or
"you have to show the circle"
MS/DC/CW discussing testing, and the implications of embedding
vocabularies
<Zakim> DanC, you wanted to clarify whether the proposal is to tweak
the HTML 5 parsing algorithm or to require that HTML user agents
draw circles and such
DC raises the issue of "optional features"
<Philip> The test could just say "the DOM must contain an element
with namespaceURI '[19]http://www.w3.org/2000/svg' localName
'circle'"
[19] http://www.w3.org/2000/svg'
<DanC> (4.1. Well-defined Behavior seems to be relevant; doesn't
quite say "optional features suck; don't go there."
[20]http://www.w3.org/TR/html-design-principles/#well-defined-behavi
or )
[20] http://www.w3.org/TR/html-design-principles/#well-defined-behavior
MS: if it were up to me, I'd mandate SVG support
CW: not crazy - but we would have to mandate a particular
version/scope of SVG, and make sure the test suite for HTML5 tests
it thoroughly
<DanC> (tracker crumbs: ISSUE-37 html-svg-mathml )
<Philip> It's the same as what happens if you do
<script>document.createElementNS('[21]http://my.fancy.spec/',
'circle')</script> in HTML - it's a well-defined operation as far as
HTML/DOM is concerned, and we don't care how it gets rendered since
that's somebody else's problem
[21] http://my.fancy.spec/'
Philip: it's not an SEP.
<smedero>
[22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Jul/0318.htm
l
[22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Jul/0318.html
<smedero> Al Gilman
MS: Thanks Dan, ya been hepful. :)
<Philip> (In relation to optional features, I've been (successfully)
pushing to make the optional features in <canvas> be mandatory -
options are annoying)
<ed_work> regarding tests for svg in html, there may well be
existing testcases from the CDF WG to re-use (depending on how
compatible it is of course) and the SVG WG would surely help out too
<DanC> (hmm... realizing I'm now supposed to do the W3C team
coordination stuff... maybe I should ask again for help with
table-headers)
<MikeSmith> issue-35?
<trackbot> ISSUE-35 -- Need to define processing requirements for
aria states and properties when used in html -- OPEN
<trackbot> [23]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/35
[23] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/35
<DanC> (since GR no longer has write access to tracker, his actions
should be reassinged)
<hober> re: issue-35, do the aria people know about hsivonen's
aria/html5 integration work?
ISSUE-35 aria-processing
<hsivonen> hober: they are aware of it
<smedero> DanC: Who should GR's actions go to? Someone else with
Tracker write access who is also active in the PFWG?
<DanC> MS: hixie's point about conformance seems more important than
the point about openness (cf
[24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Jul/0300.htm
l )
[24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Jul/0300.html
<DanC> yes, smedero ... e.g. joshue
<hsivonen> I sent a bunch of feedback in March:
[25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg-comments/2008Jan
Mar/
[25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg-comments/2008JanMar/
<MikeSmith>
[26]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Jul/0300.htm
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[26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Jul/0300.html
<MikeSmith> "ARIA specifications lack clear normative conformance
criteria"
<smedero> Relevant section of current WAI-ARIA draft:
[27]http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/#impl_nonamespace "Implementation
in HTML and other markup languages without requiring namespace
support "
[27] http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/#impl_nonamespace
<DanC> ACTION: Dan follow up on WAI-ARIA markup thread, emphasizing
the conformance point [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-html-wg-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-73 - Follow up on WAI-ARIA markup thread,
emphasizing the conformance point [on Dan Connolly - due
2008-07-31].
any other critical business?
Next meeting
<MikeSmith> chair for next week is ChrisWilson
adjourned.
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Dan follow up on WAI-ARIA markup thread, emphasizing
the conformance point [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2008/07/24-html-wg-minutes.html#action01]
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