- From: Michael(tm) Smith <mike@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 23:20:03 +0900
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The HTML Working Group had its weekly issue-tracking telcon on 2008-06-26 for 60 minutes from 16:00Z 17:00Z. http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-html-wg-minutes.html Present ChrisWilson, smedero, +49.251.280.aacc, Josh, Julian, dsinger, laura, DanC, Joshue Regrets Gregory_Rosmaita, Steve_Faulkner Chair ChrisWilson Scribe MikeSmith Contents * Topics 1. Convene meeting and review action items 2. Action-54 3. Action-23 4. Action-32 5. Action-66 6. Action-56 7. URI error handling 8. Forms in HTML 9. Issues pending review 10. issue-3 style-attribute 11. issue-20, Improvements to the table-headers algorithm in the HTML 5 spec 12. issue-32 Include a summary attribute for tables? 13. issue-41 Decentralized extensibility * Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________ Convene meeting and review action items <ChrisWilson> first action pending review: 54 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/54 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/54 <Joshue> Can +2 be undropped? <ChrisWilson> (Gregory's item) Action-54 action-54? <trackbot> ACTION-54 -- Gregory Rosmaita to work with SteveF draft text for HTML 5 spec to require producers/authors to include @alt on img elements -- due 2008-06-19 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/54 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/54 <ChrisWilson> Joshue, were you +2? <Joshue> @Chris, I may have been. <Joshue> Can't hear anything now.. <Joshue> I will ring back in maybe? <Laura> For action 54 we are still waiting for a reply from the PFWG for Action Item 54 regarding several issues: <Laura> http://tinyurl.com/48uyqv http://tinyurl.com/48uyqv <Laura> http://tinyurl.com/3v68tn http://tinyurl.com/3v68tn <Laura> guidance. <Laura> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Jun/0205.htm l http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Jun/0205.html <Laura> No timeline was given in Al's email. Request for an Action Item 54 time extension until there is a response from the PFWG. <DanC> action-54? <trackbot> ACTION-54 -- Gregory Rosmaita to work with SteveF draft text for HTML 5 spec to require producers/authors to include @alt on img elements -- due 2008-06-19 -- PENDINGREVIEW <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/54 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/54 <Joshue> +2 is Josh <oedipus> GJR notes that he has reminded the PFWG that it is the group whose review is pending <oedipus> GJR trying to get issue addressed today at face2face, but is last day with a heavy agenda <Laura> Thanks, Gregory. <oedipus> thank, YOU, laura Action-23 action-23? <trackbot> ACTION-23 -- Gregory Rosmaita to coordinate tests using ARIA -- due 2008-06-21 -- OPEN <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/23 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/23 <DanC> action-23? <trackbot> ACTION-23 -- Gregory Rosmaita to coordinate tests using ARIA -- due 2008-06-21 -- OPEN <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/23 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/23 <ChrisWilson> GJR: yes, I noted that we are discussing later today and moved date. <oedipus> thanks, ChrisW! <ChrisWilson> any issues people want to discuss? <DanC> action-32? <trackbot> ACTION-32 -- Michael(tm) Smith to change the product name of "HTML 5 authoring guidelines" in the tracker to something else, eventually -- due 2008-01-24 -- CLOSED <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/32 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/32 Action-32 <DanC> action-56? <trackbot> ACTION-56 -- Chris Wilson to chris Wilson to work with MikeSmith and DanC on (re)plan of action for forms coordination with Forms WG -- due 2008-06-26 -- OPEN <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/56 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/56 Action-66 Action-56 action-56 action-56? <trackbot> ACTION-56 -- Chris Wilson to chris Wilson to work with MikeSmith and DanC on (re)plan of action for forms coordination with Forms WG -- due 2008-06-26 -- OPEN <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/56 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/56 Joshue: want to extend this to the 24th of July ... waiting for formal response from PFWWWG <Joshue> We are also awaiting a response from PF <Laura> Headers Wiki Page <Laura> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/IssueTableHeaders http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/IssueTableHeaders URI error handling <Zakim> DanC, you wanted to bring up error handling in URIs DanC: URI error handling seems to be what the editor is working on <Laura> @ Table Summary Wiki Page <Laura> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/SummaryForTABLE http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/SummaryForTABLE <Laura> Advice Request to PFWG <Laura> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2008Jun/0073.html http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2008Jun/0073.html DanC: it looks like this is a case where browsers do something different than what the specs say ... ... particular case relates to non-ascii chars in URIs ... <Joshue> Laura has already started working on updating the wiki in relation to @summary. I am organising user tests with screen reader users who will use test cases/real world data tables that use @summary. I hope to offer vidoe footage of the tests to the WG DanC: Hixie has made some test material available ... <oedipus> [fyi] TAG "Finding" on Associating Resources with Namespaces (25 June 2008) - http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/nsDocuments/ http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/nsDocuments/ DanC: I would like to get confirmation that browsers do what has been said ... <DanC> ... http://esw.w3.org/topic/UriTesting#preview http://esw.w3.org/topic/UriTesting#preview <DanC> ... http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/ http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/ related discussion: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/uri/2008Jun/thread.html#msg2 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/uri/2008Jun/thread.html#msg2 DanC: I can volunteer to give test results for one browser. Any volunteers to test other browsers? <Julian> I can run with IE, which test? <ChrisWilson> http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/ http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/ <DanC> all the tests in http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/ http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/ <Julian> All of them? :-) Arg. <ChrisWilson> :P <Julian> Will try. <DanC> darn; the expected results aren't crystal clear to me in all cases. <DanC> maybe I'll mail Ian ChrisWilson: DanC, can you work with Hixie to see what the expected results are? <ChrisWilson> Any other issues before we take up forms? <scribe> ACTION: DanC to work with Hixie to confirm what expected results are for http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/ tests [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-html-wg-minutes.html#action01] http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/ <trackbot> Created ACTION-68 - Work with Hixie to confirm what expected results are for http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/ tests on Dan Connolly - due 2008-07-03]. http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/ <ChrisWilson> OK, forms (based on http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/56) http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/56) Forms in HTML <gsnedders> AFAIK the point of those tests is to find out what browsers do to document it, therefore they have no expected results ChrisWilson: we have in our charter a requirement related to forms, had a Forms TF that so far has not produced any resolutions <DanC> I gather he's found out and has expected results in mind as he writes the spec, gsnedders ChrisWilson: It would be better at this point to include Web Forms 2.0 in the HTML5 spec ... ... so that we have some stated direction ... ... rather than not having a stated direction at all ... <Philip> (On the subject of tests, though otherwise entirely off-topic, http://philip.html5.org/tests/canvas/suite/tests/results.html was recently updated and shows how browsers are doing at <canvas>) http://philip.html5.org/tests/canvas/suite/tests/results.html DanC: my comment is that there are some parts of WF 2.0 that I think we should put in, and some parts we should omit ... e.g., repetition templates ... ChrisWilson: form data types are important ... how should we proceed on evaluating what parts of WF 2.0 that should be included and which can possibly be omitted? <DanC> +1 poll on a section basis ChrisWilson: I would suggest we put out a poll for incorporating the various sections of WF 2.0 <ChrisWilson> gsnedders: chartered TF runs out next week, doesn't it? <gsnedders> ChrisWilson: Yeah, true. And they'll have failed to produce their chartered deliverable <ChrisWilson> ACTION DanC to produce poll <trackbot> Created ACTION-69 - Produce poll [on Dan Connolly - due 2008-07-03]. <gsnedders> ChrisWilson: Actually, all the charter says is, "The Forms Task Force expects to be done by July 2008." ChrisWilson: DanC will take a stab at writing up poll on forms, ChrisWilson and MikeSmith will review <Zakim> MikeSmith, you wanted to suggest using comment part of poll to allow people to note which parts to omit <DanC> I had in mind ~4 items <Julian> uri tests in IE: I see a script error for http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/015.html... http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/015.html... <ChrisWilson> Take up pending review issues: <Philip> Julian, which version of IE? <Julian> Philip: IE7 Issues pending review <ChrisWilson> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/3 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/3 <ChrisWilson> style-attribute <DanC> issue-3? <trackbot> ISSUE-3 -- conformance of element level style attributes -- RAISED <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/3 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/3 issue-3 style-attribute <DanC> this seems worth an "any objections?" mail to the WG. <DanC> (whee! an actual design decision!) <dsinger> oops <Joshue> Gotta go. Thanks. <ChrisWilson> Bye issue-20, Improvements to the table-headers algorithm in the HTML 5 spec <Laura> Editor added Headers to the spec <Laura> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Mar/0215.htm l http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Mar/0215.html DanC: I tried a related test case with v.nu and it gave me a thumbs down ... it appears to consider @headers on td to be valid, but not on @th ChrisWilson: we will discuss table headers at PFWG f2f meeting this week <ChrisWilson> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/32 is table summary issue http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/32 issue-32 Include a summary attribute for tables? ChrisWilson: we can take this back to PFWG and get a clearer problem description issue-41 Decentralized extensibility ChrisWilson: David Orchard made a proposal, Ian rejected with note that it was by design that HTML5 does not provide a decentralized extensibility mechanism <Julian> +1 on what Chris is saying <ChrisWilson> ack <Zakim> MikeSmith, you wanted to suggest that I don't see how this proposed mechanism could be implemented without added namespace support to text/html, if we are required to be consistent <DanC> ah... found it... this is why I think it's Ian's considered opinion, and not a misunderstanding, that he doesn't consider it cost-effective to take on distributed extensibilty: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Apr/0205.html " we actively want to make sure that http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Apr/0205.html <DanC> people can't willy nilly extend the language without coordination with <DanC> anyone interested in the development of the language" <DanC> I think distributed extensibility is valuable, but the cost is pretty high... maybe too high. <ChrisWilson> Julian: could reserve hooks for future <ChrisWilson> Adjourn? <ChrisWilson> ADJOURNED. Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: DanC to work with Hixie to confirm what expected results are for http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/ tests [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-html-wg-minutes.html#action01]
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