- From: Michael(tm) Smith <mike@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 23:20:03 +0900
- To: public-html-wg-announce@w3.org
- Message-ID: <20080709141956.GD23542@sideshowbarker>
The HTML Working Group had its weekly issue-tracking telcon on
2008-06-26 for 60 minutes from 16:00Z 17:00Z.
http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-html-wg-minutes.html
Present
ChrisWilson, smedero, +49.251.280.aacc, Josh, Julian,
dsinger, laura, DanC, Joshue
Regrets
Gregory_Rosmaita, Steve_Faulkner
Chair
ChrisWilson
Scribe
MikeSmith
Contents
* Topics
1. Convene meeting and review action items
2. Action-54
3. Action-23
4. Action-32
5. Action-66
6. Action-56
7. URI error handling
8. Forms in HTML
9. Issues pending review
10. issue-3 style-attribute
11. issue-20, Improvements to the table-headers algorithm
in the HTML 5 spec
12. issue-32 Include a summary attribute for tables?
13. issue-41 Decentralized extensibility
* Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________
Convene meeting and review action items
<ChrisWilson> first action pending review: 54
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/54
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/54
<Joshue> Can +2 be undropped?
<ChrisWilson> (Gregory's item)
Action-54
action-54?
<trackbot> ACTION-54 -- Gregory Rosmaita to work with SteveF draft
text for HTML 5 spec to require producers/authors to include @alt on
img elements -- due 2008-06-19 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/54
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/54
<ChrisWilson> Joshue, were you +2?
<Joshue> @Chris, I may have been.
<Joshue> Can't hear anything now..
<Joshue> I will ring back in maybe?
<Laura> For action 54 we are still waiting for a reply from the PFWG
for Action Item 54 regarding several issues:
<Laura> http://tinyurl.com/48uyqv
http://tinyurl.com/48uyqv
<Laura> http://tinyurl.com/3v68tn
http://tinyurl.com/3v68tn
<Laura> guidance.
<Laura>
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Jun/0205.htm
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Jun/0205.html
<Laura> No timeline was given in Al's email. Request for an Action
Item 54 time extension until there is a response from the PFWG.
<DanC> action-54?
<trackbot> ACTION-54 -- Gregory Rosmaita to work with SteveF draft
text for HTML 5 spec to require producers/authors to include @alt on
img elements -- due 2008-06-19 -- PENDINGREVIEW
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/54
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/54
<Joshue> +2 is Josh
<oedipus> GJR notes that he has reminded the PFWG that it is the
group whose review is pending
<oedipus> GJR trying to get issue addressed today at face2face, but
is last day with a heavy agenda
<Laura> Thanks, Gregory.
<oedipus> thank, YOU, laura
Action-23
action-23?
<trackbot> ACTION-23 -- Gregory Rosmaita to coordinate tests using
ARIA -- due 2008-06-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/23
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/23
<DanC> action-23?
<trackbot> ACTION-23 -- Gregory Rosmaita to coordinate tests using
ARIA -- due 2008-06-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/23
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/23
<ChrisWilson> GJR: yes, I noted that we are discussing later today
and moved date.
<oedipus> thanks, ChrisW!
<ChrisWilson> any issues people want to discuss?
<DanC> action-32?
<trackbot> ACTION-32 -- Michael(tm) Smith to change the product name
of "HTML 5 authoring guidelines" in the tracker to something else,
eventually -- due 2008-01-24 -- CLOSED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/32
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/32
Action-32
<DanC> action-56?
<trackbot> ACTION-56 -- Chris Wilson to chris Wilson to work with
MikeSmith and DanC on (re)plan of action for forms coordination with
Forms WG -- due 2008-06-26 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/56
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/56
Action-66
Action-56
action-56
action-56?
<trackbot> ACTION-56 -- Chris Wilson to chris Wilson to work with
MikeSmith and DanC on (re)plan of action for forms coordination with
Forms WG -- due 2008-06-26 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/56
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/56
Joshue: want to extend this to the 24th of July
... waiting for formal response from PFWWWG
<Joshue> We are also awaiting a response from PF
<Laura> Headers Wiki Page
<Laura> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/IssueTableHeaders
http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/IssueTableHeaders
URI error handling
<Zakim> DanC, you wanted to bring up error handling in URIs
DanC: URI error handling seems to be what the editor is working on
<Laura> @ Table Summary Wiki Page
<Laura> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/SummaryForTABLE
http://esw.w3.org/topic/HTML/SummaryForTABLE
<Laura> Advice Request to PFWG
<Laura>
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2008Jun/0073.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/wai-xtech/2008Jun/0073.html
DanC: it looks like this is a case where browsers do something
different than what the specs say ...
... particular case relates to non-ascii chars in URIs ...
<Joshue> Laura has already started working on updating the wiki in
relation to @summary. I am organising user tests with screen reader
users who will use test cases/real world data tables that use
@summary. I hope to offer vidoe footage of the tests to the WG
DanC: Hixie has made some test material available ...
<oedipus> [fyi] TAG "Finding" on Associating Resources with
Namespaces (25 June 2008) -
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/nsDocuments/
http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/doc/nsDocuments/
DanC: I would like to get confirmation that browsers do what has
been said ...
<DanC> ... http://esw.w3.org/topic/UriTesting#preview
http://esw.w3.org/topic/UriTesting#preview
<DanC> ... http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/
http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/
related discussion:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/uri/2008Jun/thread.html#msg2
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/uri/2008Jun/thread.html#msg2
DanC: I can volunteer to give test results for one browser. Any
volunteers to test other browsers?
<Julian> I can run with IE, which test?
<ChrisWilson> http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/
http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/
<DanC> all the tests in
http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/
http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/
<Julian> All of them? :-) Arg.
<ChrisWilson> :P
<Julian> Will try.
<DanC> darn; the expected results aren't crystal clear to me in all
cases.
<DanC> maybe I'll mail Ian
ChrisWilson: DanC, can you work with Hixie to see what the expected
results are?
<ChrisWilson> Any other issues before we take up forms?
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to work with Hixie to confirm what expected
results are for http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/ tests
[recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-html-wg-minutes.html#action01]
http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/
<trackbot> Created ACTION-68 - Work with Hixie to confirm what
expected results are for
http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/ tests on Dan Connolly
- due 2008-07-03].
http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/
<ChrisWilson> OK, forms (based on
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/56)
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/56)
Forms in HTML
<gsnedders> AFAIK the point of those tests is to find out what
browsers do to document it, therefore they have no expected results
ChrisWilson: we have in our charter a requirement related to forms,
had a Forms TF that so far has not produced any resolutions
<DanC> I gather he's found out and has expected results in mind as
he writes the spec, gsnedders
ChrisWilson: It would be better at this point to include Web Forms
2.0 in the HTML5 spec ...
... so that we have some stated direction ...
... rather than not having a stated direction at all ...
<Philip> (On the subject of tests, though otherwise entirely
off-topic,
http://philip.html5.org/tests/canvas/suite/tests/results.html
was recently updated and shows how browsers are doing at <canvas>)
http://philip.html5.org/tests/canvas/suite/tests/results.html
DanC: my comment is that there are some parts of WF 2.0 that I think
we should put in, and some parts we should omit
... e.g., repetition templates ...
ChrisWilson: form data types are important
... how should we proceed on evaluating what parts of WF 2.0 that
should be included and which can possibly be omitted?
<DanC> +1 poll on a section basis
ChrisWilson: I would suggest we put out a poll for incorporating the
various sections of WF 2.0
<ChrisWilson> gsnedders: chartered TF runs out next week, doesn't
it?
<gsnedders> ChrisWilson: Yeah, true. And they'll have failed to
produce their chartered deliverable
<ChrisWilson> ACTION DanC to produce poll
<trackbot> Created ACTION-69 - Produce poll [on Dan Connolly - due
2008-07-03].
<gsnedders> ChrisWilson: Actually, all the charter says is, "The
Forms Task Force expects to be done by July 2008."
ChrisWilson: DanC will take a stab at writing up poll on forms,
ChrisWilson and MikeSmith will review
<Zakim> MikeSmith, you wanted to suggest using comment part of poll
to allow people to note which parts to omit
<DanC> I had in mind ~4 items
<Julian> uri tests in IE: I see a script error for
http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/015.html...
http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/015.html...
<ChrisWilson> Take up pending review issues:
<Philip> Julian, which version of IE?
<Julian> Philip: IE7
Issues pending review
<ChrisWilson> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/3
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/3
<ChrisWilson> style-attribute
<DanC> issue-3?
<trackbot> ISSUE-3 -- conformance of element level style attributes
-- RAISED
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/3
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/3
issue-3 style-attribute
<DanC> this seems worth an "any objections?" mail to the WG.
<DanC> (whee! an actual design decision!)
<dsinger> oops
<Joshue> Gotta go. Thanks.
<ChrisWilson> Bye
issue-20, Improvements to the table-headers algorithm in the HTML 5
spec
<Laura> Editor added Headers to the spec
<Laura>
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Mar/0215.htm
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Mar/0215.html
DanC: I tried a related test case with v.nu and it gave me a thumbs
down
... it appears to consider @headers on td to be valid, but not on
@th
ChrisWilson: we will discuss table headers at PFWG f2f meeting this
week
<ChrisWilson> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/32 is
table summary issue
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/32
issue-32 Include a summary attribute for tables?
ChrisWilson: we can take this back to PFWG and get a clearer problem
description
issue-41 Decentralized extensibility
ChrisWilson: David Orchard made a proposal, Ian rejected with note
that it was by design that HTML5 does not provide a decentralized
extensibility mechanism
<Julian> +1 on what Chris is saying
<ChrisWilson> ack
<Zakim> MikeSmith, you wanted to suggest that I don't see how this
proposed mechanism could be implemented without added namespace
support to text/html, if we are required to be consistent
<DanC> ah... found it... this is why I think it's Ian's considered
opinion, and not a misunderstanding, that he doesn't consider it
cost-effective to take on distributed extensibilty:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Apr/0205.html
" we actively want to make sure that
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2008Apr/0205.html
<DanC> people can't willy nilly extend the language without
coordination with
<DanC> anyone interested in the development of the language"
<DanC> I think distributed extensibility is valuable, but the cost
is pretty high... maybe too high.
<ChrisWilson> Julian: could reserve hooks for future
<ChrisWilson> Adjourn?
<ChrisWilson> ADJOURNED.
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: DanC to work with Hixie to confirm what expected
results are for http://hixie.ch/tests/adhoc/uri/encoding/ tests
[recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-html-wg-minutes.html#action01]
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