Fwd: [css-counter-styles] implementation of complex cjk counter styles

各位，今天CSS小組處理CSS Counter Style，要求非正式的計數方式。我以zh-TW的口語表達回應。

請各位Review，也希望回應zh-CN與zh-HK的技術方式（若有不同）。

WANDERER Bobby Tung
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> 寄件人: Koji Ishii <kojiishi@gluesoft.co.jp>
> 日期: 2013年11月11日 GMT+8下午8時09分00秒
> 收件人: Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalmage@gmail.com>, Xidorn Quan <quanxunzhen@gmail.com>
> 副本: www-style list <www-style@w3.org>, 董福興 <bobbytung@wanderer.tw>
> 標題: Re: [css-counter-styles] implementation of complex cjk counter styles
> 
> I'm forwarding information from Bobby; looks like it matches to Xidorn's
> feedback for Chinese.
> 
> /koji
> 
> 
> From: 董福興 <bobbytung@wanderer.tw>
> Date: Monday, November 11, 2013 3:55 PM
> To: "Ishii, Koji a | Koji | BLD" <kojiishi@gluesoft.co.jp>
> Subject: Re: [css-counter-styles] Suggested changes to Chinese and Korean
> informal styles
> 
> 
> Can I count informal styles as verbal expression?
> 
> here is the list. please help me to forward. I've read #CSS discussion.
> 
> 1 
> �@
> 
> 10
> 十
> (end zero is skipped)
> 
> 11
> 十|�@
> 
> 100
> �@百
> (end two zero is skipped)
> 
> 101
> �@百|零|�@
> 
> 110
> �@百|�@
> (end zero is skipped,�@ is instead of 十)
> 
> 111
> �@百|�@十|�@
> 
> 1000
> �@千
> (end three zero is skipped)
> 
> 1001
> �@千|零|�@
> (two zero is combined as one zero)
> 
> 1010
> �@千|零|�@十|
> (end zero is skipped)
> 
> 1011
> �@千|零|�@十|�@
> 
> 1100
> �@千|�@
> (end two zero is skipped, �@ is instead of �@百)
> 
> 1101
> �@千|�@百|零|�@
> 
> 1110
> �@千|�@百|�@十
> (end zero is skipped)
> 
> 1111
> �@千|�@百|�@十|�@
> 
> 10000
> �@萬
> (end four zero is skipped)
> 
> 
> 10001
> �@萬|零|�@
> (Three zero is combined)
> 
> 10010
> �@萬|零|�@十|
> (two zero is combined, final end is skipped)
> 
> 10011
> �@萬|零|�@十|�@
> (two zero is combined)
> 
> 10100
> �@萬|零|�@百
> (end two zero is skipped)
> 
> 
> 10101
> �@萬|零|�@百|零|�@
> 
> 10110
> �@萬|零|�@百|�@十
> (end zero is skipped)
> 
> 10111
> �@萬|零|�@百|�@十|�@
> 
> 11000
> �@萬|�@
> (end three zero is skipped, �@ is instead of �@千)
> 
> 
> 11001
> �@萬|�@千|零|�@
> (two zero is combined)
> 
> 
> 11100
> �@萬|�@千|�@
> (end two zero is skipped, �@ is instead of �@百)
> 
> 
> 11101
> �@萬|�@千|�@百|零|�@
> 
> 11110
> �@萬|�@千|�@百|�@十|
> (end zero is skipped, �@ is instead of �@十)
> 
> 
> 11111
> �@萬|�@千|�@百|�@十|�@
> 
> 
> Koji Ishii <kojiishi@gluesoft.co.jp> 於 2013/11/11 下午3:17 寫道：
> 
> 
> Bobby, we need Chinese experts on issue #11 on this:
> http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-counter-styles/issues-lc-20130718.html#issue-11
> 
> Do you have any insights?
> 
> /koji
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/7/13 11:13 AM, "Tab Atkins Jr." <jackalmage@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 1:58 PM, Tab Atkins Jr. <jackalmage@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Xidorn Quan <quanxunzhen@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> I just submitted an implementation of longhand East Asian counter
>>> styles for
>>> Firefox. You can find it at
>>> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=934072 .
>>> 
>>> As described in comment 8 in the page mentioned above, this impl
>>> generates a
>>> slightly different result with the current draft: for 11,111, it
>>> generates
>>> "�@万千百十�@" in japanese-informal and "萬 千百十�@" in korean-hanja-informal;
>>> and it
>>> generates "�@千万" for 10,000,000 in japanese-informal. These
>>> modifications are
>>> based on the discussion in this mailing list and replies from some of my
>>> native friends, and I also referred to the result of Google Translate.
>> 
>> Can you please describe what these changes are in terms of the
>> algorithms in the spec?
> 
> And here's more of Xidorn's feedback, on the Chinese informal styles:
> 
>> Section 7.2.1, 5. Drop ones, the first term should be changed from
>> 
>>> For the Chinese informal styles, for any group with a value between ten
>>> and nineteen,
>>> remove the tens digit (leave the digit marker).
>> 
>> to
>> 
>>> For the Chinese informal styles, for any group **other than the ones
>>> group** with a
>>> value between ten and nineteen, remove the tens digit (leave the digit
>>> marker).
>> 
>> For example, for number 10,011, the current term generates "�@万零十�@" and
>> the new term generates "�@万零�@十�@" which is more preferable. The number
>> of result Google search can prove: 8 results for "�@万零十�@", but about
>> 741,000 results for "�@万零�@十�@".
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> ~TJ
> 
>

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