- From: Shelley Powers <shelleyp@burningbird.net>
- Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:29:48 -0600
- To: public-html-comments@w3.org
I appreciate the HTML WG co-chairs attempting to ensure consistent handling of issues with its recent feedback related to the <time> element [1], but have to point out how uneven the handling really is. This item was related to <time> being pulled, which happened recently. Barely a week later, we seem to have gone from bug, to issue, to call for proposal for a changed <time> item, as well as an addition of <data> seemingly only to help microdata--or some such thing. In the meantime, we still haven't resolved the concerns about longdesc and other long standing issues. In addition, I've watched the number of participants in the group drop until about the only action we see in the HTML WG email list is bug reports--many of which are nothing more than hack emails because of the foolish comment box in the web specs--an occasional note by the co-chairs, and a few individuals trying to reign in an out of control process. It's becoming almost impossible to follow what's happening to the HTML5 spec now. Yet the group still continues along the pre-defined schedule, as if there's nothing out of the ordinary happening in the group. There are some changes that might help tame the chaos, especially for those of us on the outside looking in: First, stop posting the bug reports to the email list. Too many are garbage and clutter the list. And there are a significant number coming from kids who get a kick out of posting certain words and seeing them show up on the HTML WG email list. In line with this, remove the comment box from the spec. People should file comments through a formal system that requires a name--either this email list, the HTML WG email list, or Bugzilla. After all, how can you verify whether a bug fix resolves the bug requestor's concern if the bug was submitted anonymously via a comment box? Time to grow up a bit, don't you think? To ensure that people are aware of changes the editor is making--especially significant changes, such as the removal of <time>--post only bug reports that result in changes, with the understanding that the change can be reverted if the item was not also discussed in the HTML WG email list before the change was made. And allow those of us on the outside to also ask for a revert, since LC is supposedly our time to make comments. It would help if those who file bug reports, also sent an email with more detail to the HTML WG, or this email list. Not for simple things like spelling or pure editing changes--I'm talking about changes to the HTML. Second, is there anyway to post a difference annotation between the editor's draft and the Last Call document, so we can see the changes being made? If nothing else, perhaps a list of changes? Following the WHATWG twitter feed seems counter-intuitive, and forcing people to look at CVS or other logs may be all cool and geeky, but not particularly good communication. Third, verify that the document will be going through Last Call again because of significant changes. Especially considering how many significant changes are being made under the radar, so to speak. Fourth, resolve issues from latest to newest--not based on the requestor's HTML5 editor's favored status. Thank you. Shelley [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Nov/0189.html
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