- From: Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de>
- Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 19:32:16 +0100
- To: Cameron Heavon-Jones <cmhjones@gmail.com>
- CC: thibault <thibault@miximum.fr>, public-html-comments@w3.org
On 2011-12-13 19:17, Cameron Heavon-Jones wrote: > ... >> "If no Accept header field is present, then it is assumed that the client accepts all media types." (RFC 2616, Section 14.1) > > Yes, we looked at this before. Nowhere does it say what the chosen media type should be. This is an implementation choice though, and i would be more included to return a user-viewable representation like html by default. Yes. It means the client didn't say, not that it doesn't want anything. >>> Accept: text\plain => short status message >> >> What if the XHR client wants to embed the status message as HTML fragment into the current page? >> > > It's plain text, they can do whatever they like with a message like "Your resource has been DELETE'd". What if the message is supposed to contain HTML? > For XHR i would be more included to return "application/json" maybe with a message, status code, app-specific info. The information can be used for whatever purpose the script requires. Yes, that's one thing that can be done, but not the only one. >>> Accept: text\html => representation of the collection >> >> Again, you are overloading "Accept" with something it's not suitable for. >> > > Not so, it is perfectly acceptable and correct to return html for an "Accept: text/html". I argue that it is you who wish to do something unsuitable by returning plain text status messages in response to "Accept: text/html". I didn't say that, you claimed I did. "Accept: text/html" means the client wants HTML. It does not indicate whether the client wants a status message or a folder UI. > The decision being made is not *what* is being returned but how that information is rendered as a media type. I just choose to have only 1 definition of *what*, including rendering characteristics. > >>> I understand this may not be possible for existing implementations of servers and clients. My stance is that if you are to perform client based content-negotiation you might as well just vary on User-Agent header, it amounts to the same thing and is a bad practice, IMO :) >> >> No, varying on UA is MUCH worse. In particular, it doesn't work as the UA is the same for XHR and form access. >> > > Yes but it amounts to a UA abstraction. You are negotiating content based on which client, not its capabilities. Nope. It's negotiation on the client's expectation. The same client can have different expectations depending on what's going on. > It does work with XHR and form access if the Accept header is varied. It may work in *some* cases by abusing the Accept header. > ... Best regards, Julian
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