- From: John Snyders <jjsnyders@rcn.com>
- Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:28:46 -0400
- To: public-html-comments@w3.org
I have a few comments on the autocomplete attribute section 4.10.4.2.1
I think a distinction needs to be made between browsers remembering a
list of values for a single input and a browser offering to remember
login credentials. The first case is clearly described and easy to
understand. The second case is more complicated. Browsers somehow
associate the username and password as a pair and offer to remember
them. Ideally browsers should store the credentials in a secure manner.
I'm concerned about the arms race between the banks not wanting the
browsers to store the users credentials and the users wanting the
convenience of having their credentials remembered. It seems the banks
don't trust the browsers. But most browsers have the option of keeping
credentials in a secure store using a master password and two way
encryption. I think the spec should explicitly state that a user agent
that is going to store credentials should allow the user the option of
using a master password protected store or an OS provided equivalent.
The browser should also provide some kind of warning to the user about
the dangers of remembering passwords without a master password. If this
were done perhaps the banks would trust the browsers and we could do
away with autocomplete having anything to do with saving credentials.
The spec does have a paragraph about the user agent giving the user the
ability to override autocomplete but there should be two separate
options one for single value autocomplete and another for storing
credentials.
When banks moved the user name and password prompts to different pages
(perhaps to support SiteKey) this kept browsers from associating the two
so they couldn't remember credentials. Then Firefox got smart enough to
handle this case. A side effect is that a password input that has
nothing to do with authentication ends up getting autocompleted in some
cases.
I did some testing and found different behavior among the browsers:
- Safari 4(win) and Opera 9.64 would never auto complete the user name
(regardless of autocomplete setting) and used autocomplete=off on the
user name input to control offering to remember credentials.
- Firefox 2-3.5: autocomplete works as expected on the user name field
to control remembering previous usernames and autocomplete=off on the
user name or password field controls offering to remember credentials.
- Chrome: autocomplete works as expected on the user name field to
control remembering previous usernames and autocomplete=off on the
password field controls offering to remember credentials.
Sorry didn't test any version of IE.
The input password state explicitly allows the autocomplete attribute
but the semantics are not clearly defined. Clearly it doesn't make
sense to remember the password like you would a text input since a
browser would never present a list of previously entered passwords in
plain text and a list of ******'s isn't helpful either. So it must be
related to remembering login credentials.
Given the current state of browsers if you want to recommend that the
browser not store user login credentials you need to set
autocomplete=off on both the username and password input prompts. In
addition because of Firefox you need to set autocomplete=off on all
password fields that are unrelated to login autentication.
I don't know if the best thing is just to describe current browser
behavior or if there are better recommendations.
Some extreme options are:
- autocomplete should not be used to control saving credentials at all
and either
- sites have no business telling the browser what to do in this area
(because of Firefox supporting
username and password on different pages there still needs to be a
way to say a password input
has nothing to do with authentication)
- or a new attribute (perhaps on the form) is added to explicitly
state that the site requires the
highest level of security which the browsers can interpret as a
request (the the user can override)
to not store the credentials.
- It might be worth while distinguishing a password/pin as part of login
credentials from an ordinary
secret field (one that does not echo). The first would be called
password and the second would
be called secret.
Minor things:
In section 4.10.4.2.1the example given seems to be related to the login
credentials case. Consider adding another example that prompts for
something like a social security number. Also the PIN input type should
be type password rather than text to be more realistic.
Perhaps examples, even though they are just examples, should show best
practices such as using a label rather than just text like Account: or PIN:
The paragraph on how autocomplete defaults is difficult to follow. The
long sentence should be broken down into simpler parts perhaps indented
or use pseudo code.
Received on Wednesday, 2 September 2009 14:13:09 UTC