- From: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
- Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:14:19 +0000 (UTC)
- To: "T.J. Crowder" <tj@crowdersoftware.com>, Max Romantschuk <max@romantschuk.fi>, Ryan Roberts <hello@ryanroberts.co.uk>
- Cc: public-html-comments@w3.org
On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, T.J. Crowder wrote:
>
> First off, thank you for all of your work hammering out HTML5. Greatly
> appreciated!
Thanks!
> I have a suggestion which may be too late for HTML5 or not in keeping
> with the philosophy, but I'll give it a go:
>
> We use the class attribute a *lot*. To save our poor fingers, not to
> mention reduce document sizes, would it be possible to introduce an
> alternate syntax for simple situations (one class) mirroring the basic
> CSS class selector syntax? E.g., this:
>
> <div class='nifty'>nifty stuff here</div>
>
> becomes
>
> <div.nifty>nifty stuff here</div>
>
> Seems to me this is easily parsed and not a significant burden to
> implementors, whereas I think most authors would be thrilled to have the
> syntax line up with CSS and to stop typing "class='" all over the place.
We've looked at doing this before, but it has a very poor backwards-
compatibility story, unfortunately.
I would encourage you to find ways to avoid using class attributes, e.g.
by writing selectors that are based on the structure of the document. For
example, instead of:
<h1>...</h1>
<p class="firstp">...</p>
p.firstp { ... }
...do something like:
<h1>...</h1>
<p>...</p>
h1 + p { ... }
> Alternatively (no pun), a less easily-parsed version that doesn't seem
> to break the small number of UAs I tried (all browsers: IE7, FF3,
> Safari3win, Opera9, Chrome2) too badly is to allow whitespace between
> the tag and the dot:
>
> <div .nifty>nifty stuff here</div>
>
> Older browsers wouldn't see the class name, obviously, but they seem to
> mostly ignore the invalid attribute. I don't like this becaue it looks
> like a parsing nightmare to me, although as I said, I'm not a parser
> guy.
It wouldn't be that hard to parse, but it would only say you a 5
keystrokes, and all the old browsers would miss the class attribute, so
it's not really worth it, I think.
Cheers,
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