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https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=24605 Bug ID: 24605 Summary: Make the use of <table border="1"> RECOMMENDED default in polyglot/robust documents and tools Product: HTML WG Version: unspecified Hardware: PC OS: All Status: NEW Severity: normal Priority: P2 Component: HTML/XHTML Compatibility Authoring Guide (ed: Eliot Graff) Assignee: eliotgra@microsoft.com Reporter: xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no QA Contact: public-html-bugzilla@w3.org CC: eliotgra@microsoft.com, mike@w3.org, public-html-admin@w3.org, public-html-wg-issue-tracking@w3.org As this specification represents a robust profile, Polyglot Markup ought to make use of border="1" on the the table element a *recommended* default/practise. Justification: 0) Background: Usability studies show that users make fewer reading errors if tables highllights columns and rows. Borders is the simplest way to highlight columns and rows. Zebra striping is another method. Any disagreement that that such highlighting often is beneficial has not been recorded. In itself, these observation does not speak for or against border=1 as CSS can achieve the same as border=1 1) However, with @border=1 present, there is a better fallback & survival story in UAs. Without @border=1, if the CSS to highlight columns and rows were to disappear or, if the UA did not support CSS, usability would become worse than necessary. 2) @border=1 does not hamper authors since, if there is a valid use case to remove the borders (such as ”I prefer zebra stripes to borders”), then it is a simple to to remove borders ... <style>table, td, th { border: none}</style> ... as it is to *add* borders ... <style>table, td, th {border:solid 1px;}</style> 3) Nevertheless, to recommend tools and authors to default to border=1, would cause tables of polyglot markup to become more robust against authoring misuse. This is so because the very need to remove the attribute (and possibly get a warning, if the validator supports polyglot) or add CSS, would be a barrier against uncritical use of layout tables. By the way: A) A neutral description of @border=1 could be to say that it constitutes a *second* rendering-default - a default where tables are rendered *with* borders. The other default, nameely to not render borders, is what authors get when the @border attribute is omitted. B) The table@border=1 attribute is fully permitted by HTML5, but authors are free to add it or drop it. Whether to use is is thus optional, and its use does not represent a plus or a minus as such, per the HTML5 specification. C) To avoid that ”weak souls” might not see these issues as clearly would dismiss this spec based on a single attribute they disagree with, we should only make it recommended - not required. -- You are receiving this mail because: You are on the CC list for the bug.
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