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RE: Oppose DRM ! Re: CfC: to publish Encrypted Media Extensions specification as a First Public Working Draft (FPWD)

From: John C. Vernaleo <john@netpurgatory.com>
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 17:13:14 -0500 (EST)
To: John Foliot <john@foliot.ca>
cc: 'Mark Watson' <watsonm@netflix.com>, "'Tab Atkins Jr.'" <jackalmage@gmail.com>, 'Ian Hickson' <ian@hixie.ch>, 'David Singer' <singer@apple.com>, public-html-admin@w3.org
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1301251654130.19945@yoshi>
On Fri, 25 Jan 2013, John Foliot wrote:

> It appears to me that the thrust of the objections for moving forward with
> publishing the First Draft are based more on philosophical grounds as
> opposed to technical grounds. Certain actors appear to be opposed to the
> work being done to address a business requirement and legitimate use-case,
> based upon their own personal philosophies with regard to "ownership" and
> copyright law, and the desire of some content creators to actually profit
> from the creation of their intellectual property. They make it appear that
> this effort will be hostile to the end user (when in fact, those who are
> seeking to find a solution are seeking one that is as user-friendly as they
> can make it, as they have a vested financial goal in doing so), and
> technically incompatible with existing software.

I think you are making some very unfair and unfounded statements about the 
motives of the people who are opposed to this draft.  I've heard very few 
claims (here or elsewhere) that say no one should be allowed to profit 
from their content or IP or whatever you want to call it.

> I believe that it should be out of scope for a technical committee and a
> standards body to favor one philosophical perspective versus the other:
> leave the politics of politics to the politicians - this is (should be) an
> engineering forum and an engineering discussion.

Sometimes, staying out of the politics is the same as favoring one side.

> While my personal perspective tends to be very liberal (I support the ideals
> of Open Source software, I publish under Creative Commons licenses, etc.) I
> also recognize the rights of creators of "entertainment media" to both
> profit from their efforts, as well as seek means to protect the
> marketability of that content. I do not naively forget that there exists a
> multi-billion dollar global theft issue on the web today (Pirate Bay
> anyone?), and that if we do not come up with a technical solution to attempt
> to address that problem it will be legislated upon us, SOPA and PIPA
> not-withstanding: it's simple - create a solution or be handed one.
> I am personally adverse to having the FOSS "one true god" discussion block
> progress on examining the technical merit of the proposed extension. Smart
> engineers, representing W3C members, have worked hard and in an open
> environment to produce the work now being considered for publication (and I
> note that this is a First Draft, not the Final Recommendation). We, as
> members of this Working Group, owe them at least the professional respect of
> examining and discussing their efforts free from moral condemnation or
> disdain: these engineers have jobs to do, and are doing so in good faith.
> You may be opposed to the end goal of that effort, but that should not be
> the focus of the current discussion.

I think it is pretty clear that there is a diversity of opinions on all 
sides so it is neither fair nor productive to try and put all the people 
on the FOSS side in a single "one true god" bucket.  So of us are very 
concered with interoperability and getting locked out of large portions of 
the web (again).  That doesn't sound like a particularly 'relgious' 
conviction to me.

> So I will turn the question around to you: are you saying that because some
> W3C members have a commercial interest in seeing a standard emerge that
> addresses a specific and real use-case, that the W3C should reject that good
> faith effort on the grounds that it offends some individual members'
> philosophical stand? And do you believe that the W3C should be on either
> side of the question of whether commercial versus free content has a place
> on the web?  (I don't).
> Or do you believe that the W3C is the best place for engineers, representing
> numerous goals, perspectives and business requirements, can gather and work
> together to produce specifications for the web (in the open, and not behind
> closed doors) that they will then implement and share back to the larger
> community with no further claim on "ownership" of those specifications? (I
> do)
> Do you believe that a small group of like-minded people, and a single
> arbitrator of "thumbs up, thumbs down" is the best we can do for the web? (I
> don't)
> Or do you believe that the diversity of voices, and needs, and the
> collective work to reach rough consensus on the *technology* from all
> stakeholders, is better for the web? (I do)

Pretty sure this discussion proves that there are a diversity of voices, 
so you have no worry of a single arbitrator deciding uniformaly what is 
good for the web.  If anything, you seem to be the one specifically 
telling one side (when I actually think there are far more than two sides) 
that they should not state their objection.

> Does that answer your question?
> JF
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