- From: Mark Sadecki <mark@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 11:16:41 -0400
- To: HTML A11Y TF Public <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
- CC: John Foliot <john@foliot.ca>, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>, eric.carlson@apple.com, Adrian Roselli <Roselli@algonquinstudios.com>, Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>, Daniel Davis <ddavis@w3.org>, Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com>, Wu Wei <wuwei@w3.org>
Thanks to everyone who attended today's Media Sub-Group meeting, especially Kaz
and Daniel for representing the Web & TV IG. Below are the minutes in HTML and
text format.
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http://www.w3.org/2014/05/27-html-a11y-media-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
HTML Accessibility Task Force Media Sub-Group
27 May 2014
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2014/05/27-html-a11y-media-irc
Attendees
Present
ShaneM, Mark_Sadecki, JF, WuWei, ddavis, Kazuyuki,
janina
Regrets
Chair
Mark Sadecki
Scribe
MarkS, JF
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Identify Scribe
2. [5]TV & Web: Collaboration on Use Cases and
Requirements
3. [6]Use Case 2
4. [7]Use case 10
5. [8]New Use Cases
* [9]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 27 May 2014
<MarkS> [10]Original Web & TV Use Cases from Round 1
[10] https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs/Use_Cases
<MarkS> [11]Accessibility Use Case Feedback on UCs 1-7 (from
MarkS)
[11] https://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/WebTV_Use_Cases
<MarkS> [12]Accessibility Use Case Feedback on UCs 8-12 (from
JF)
[12] https://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/User:Jfoliot/UseCases
<MarkS> [13]New Use Case from Janina
[13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014May/0095.html
Identify Scribe
<MarkS> scribe: MarkS
TV & Web: Collaboration on Use Cases and Requirements
MarkS> [14]Original Web & TV Use Cases from Round 1
[14] https://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/WebTV_Use_Cases
-> [15]https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs/Use_Cases
Original Web & TV Use Cases from Round 1
[15] https://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/Media_APIs/Use_Cases
-> [16]https://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/WebTV_Use_Cases
Accessibility Use Case Feedback on UCs 1-7 (from MarkS)
[16] https://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/WebTV_Use_Cases
<JF> scribeL Mark S reviewing feedback
JS: The need to be able to use these interfaces accessibly
applies to all these use cases
<JF> JS: notes that WCAG and UAAG will likely apply to all of
the use cases
<JF> scribe: JF
SM: notes sycnronization with alternative content. Second round
of use cases coming and a new one is media-stream
synchronization
<ddavis>
[17]http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/New_Ideas#Media_stream_sy
nchronization
[17] http://www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/New_Ideas#Media_stream_synchronization
DD: RE: synchronization with other devices, we put media
synchronization as a new suggested Use Case for Round 2, so
this may be applicable there
Kaz: we can also start by adding these new use cases to the 2nd
round of use cases
DD: Maybe you can merge all of these into one use case
<inserted> Kaz: yes, but we can merge them later if needed :)
scribe: MarkS
Use Case 2
JF: Could that me more of a User Agent Guideline? Its blurry
JS: Still belongs in the Use Case
Kaz: maybe it would be useful to explain what the "overlay" os
DD: the whole idea of having use cases is to extract
requirements that we can use to develop specs
... some of these are already covered in gap analysis, but i
think a queue is a good idea
Kaz: maybe it would be better for us to talk about how to best
add these to Web & TV wiki
... maybe we can add a link to the first generation Use CAses
... or to add all of these separately
... accessible second screen, for instance
MS: So new use cases based on round 1 that focus on
accessibility. We can talk about style later
... then add to the Web & TV wiki
JS: I'm a little worried about adding too many use cases
specifically for accessibility. Many of these things benefit
everyone
<JF> +1 to Janina's point
JS: the message gets lost if they are treated separately
<ddavis> +1
Kaz: my own preference would be to add accessibility extension
to the use cases. and then work them into the final report
... style-wise
JF: we don't want to put accessibility in a separate group.
These are universal concerns.
Kaz: I was talking with DD about this
DD: I agree, and it would be easier to get people to agree on
these if they are not in a separate group.
JF: Its usability taken to the extreme
MS: [Gives summary of use cases 4-7]
JS: +1
Kaz: Just wondering about he MAUR document. maybe it makes
sense to add that as well
-> [18]https://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/User:Jfoliot/UseCases
Accessibility Use Case Feedback on UCs 8-12 (from JF)
[18] https://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/User:Jfoliot/UseCases
JF: UC 8 and 9, both talk about taking content offline to local
storage. Download and go or record for later consumption.
Storing for later. In both cases, using the video element, the
alternative content is not bound, referenced as external files.
In those cases, there needs to be a way to include additional
assets as well and are properly bound.
... like when you "Save a web page" which saves the HTML and
all its assets with relative links
... suggested that it mirrors the structure on the server, or
compress and it reinterpret the path
Use case 10
JF: UUAG and MAUR. These use cases were about the content being
delivered. make sure you don't rely on sensory notification,
like only one of audio prompt or visual prompt.
... multi-sensory notification and UUAG and MAUR
... very important to bind the alternative content when taking
offline.
MS: be great to make it globally configurable too
... always include caption when available.
JF: many still assume that caption are still in band, but many
especially in HTML are out of band now
kaz: there is a lot of discussion RE: in band and out of band
captioning
... we would need this kind of extension
JF: the technical issue would be how to associate those
resources.
kaz: epub format has something like that.
JF: I dropped this into my user directory in the wiki.
<janina>
[19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014Ma
y/0095.html
[19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2014May/0095.html
New Use Cases
JS: It's not always clear in these use cases if the viewing
environment was a group or an individual, I think we made to
make that distinction.
... here is an example about a group, in a movie theatre that
uses HTML5 media player
... you don't need to have a disability to enjoy chapter
navigation, as can be seen in epub
... group of students, cramming for an exam. there are videos
associated with their class. the structural nav points, can be
displayed in a system map. You can tick off the topics that
were covered.
... blind student is reading a braille print-out. the entire
group has found the captioning useful for term definition and
note taking
... very useful for students to be able to jump to a particular
point in the video.
JF: the support file, the transcript, etc becomes the master to
the video file. its your table of contents.
... in discussions around precedence and order, who owns the
master timeline. The video asset would always be the master
timeline. In this use case the its flipped.
[20]http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/CR-media-frags-20111201/
[20] http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/CR-media-frags-20111201/
JF: not an insurmountable problem, unless we point to Media
frags as a solution, lets throw up some flags, follow up with
possible solutions.
... Use case, scenario, possible pitfalls
JS: Just came up with this one during the call
... 2nd screen, someone has a device, there could be multiple
streams going on the network. there needs to be a way to
discern between streams and set preferences for alternative
content.
... the descriptions might take so long to consume, there needs
to be a way to pause the primary video. However, that would be
a problem in a group scenario. Need to point that out.
... if you are bringing your own device to the party, lets go
back to the Movie theatre scenario, would be great to be able
to bring your own device to consume alt content.
... discovery and selection may need work
JF: I was thinking the same thing. You can imagine the movie
theatre, or a family sitting around the TV. One family member
may want the captions or the audio description which might
distract other viewers.
JS: with the family, you also need to make sure you have only
resources for your primary device.
<ddavis> www.w3.org/2011/webtv/wiki/New_Ideas
DD: Anything goes, this is a good thing to add. The only thing
is that the chairs of the IG do not want to have things that
won't get carried forward. Only use cases where someone is
willing to continue with it through requirements and gap
analysis.
Kaz: we will try to talk with other IG participants RE these
UCs
... these are very good use cases for accessible tv. perhaps a
student would want to use speech for input.
JS: hopefully Indie UI could address that.
JF: we're talking about using these 2nd devices for both input
and output. In accessibility, we have lots of ideas, but no
engineers to follow through with some of these. How do we bring
forward these ideas that go beyond accessibility but not driven
by an accessibility use case
... worth putting them down and framing them in a more generic
way?
DD: We are happy to take some of these use cases and be the
representative for them.
... its much more helpful if it would be broadly applicable.
... if not someone from this group to champion these, then Kaz
or I.
... be great to consolidate these as well. some may be dropped
in this iteration of gap analysis if they are too specialized.
Kaz: Daniel and I will talk more about this after the call. We
will have our meeting tomorrow and will discuss the 2nd
iteration of use cases.
... i think we should bring all of these to that call, at least
some of them.
... we will think about how to do that.
JS: one thing that has to get captured is the discoverability
issue.
DD: that came up in the first round of use cases. that was
covered by network discovery API but seems to have fallen out
of focus. Will have to bring that up again.
Kaz: Mark Vickers attended meeting in Santa Clara. We will
check with them again and talk about these tomorrow
JS: Comcast has now joined PFWG and is working on incorporating
aria support in their products.
Kaz: that is great news
JS: I will type up my new use case
DD: We will either keep them in your wiki or copy them over to
ours. We won't be able to edit the first round, but we might be
able to create a new version of Round 1
JS: i want to thank Web & TV IG for coming up with the term 2nd
screen. We might be able to use that in MAUR
DD: we have also talked about using Multi-Screen
JS: could even be a bluetooth headset
Summary of Action Items
[End of minutes]
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