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- Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 18:48:43 +0000
- To: "John Foliot" <john@foliot.ca>, "Steve Faulkner" <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>, "HTMLWG WG" <public-html@w3.org>, redux@splintered.co.uk
- Cc: "HTML Accessibility Task Force" <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
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Hi, all I've been following the discussion and I can't help saying that there's something that bothers me in trying to make the "alt" attribute explain the link *and* the image at the same time. First because, as far as I understand, the "alt" attribute should be a textual alternative to the image (or explain it in some sense), and the "title" attribute was supposed to be added to explain the link. Then we'd have the text of the image plus an explanation of what the link would do: The weak point here is exactly the fact that the "title" attribute is not usefull for AT users, or keyboard users or touch-screen users... and then we have to "force" things a little bit, by using "alt" for other things then giving a textual alternative. It won't be a problem, of course, if explaining a link by the "alt" attribute would only help screen-reader users or users not loading images. I'd whish the title attribute could be taken more into account, even by AT users. I believe that, to tell the user or not that the image is a logo is not very relevant, specially if it appears in a tag, what would imply the level of information. Cheers, Angela Ricci Invited Expert ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Foliot" To:"Steve Faulkner" , "HTMLWG WG" Cc:"HTML Accessibility Task Force" Sent:Mon, 27 Jan 2014 08:47:26 -0800 Subject:RE: Alt text should identify image class when relevant Hi Steve, I think that the bug has a somewhat legitimate issue, but I also agree with your assessment. For example, if all we had was: …it would be correct (note that I personally am a huge fan of the prefixing of alt values, such as the “logo:” here, but also note that consistency is trump) However, if that same image was now also a link: …then the initial alt text would be wrong: the link *DOES NOT TAKE ME TO THE LOGO* (a common occurrence with CMS tools such as WordPress), but rather the W3C site. I would reject the bug as incorrect. While I agree that the image is still the logo, the fact that it is also a link to the W3C site is over-riding the fact that it is a logo. In many ways, this is also an editorial question, which is very hard to answer as different organizations often have their own internal editorial standards. If the content author really wanted to convey that this is also a logo (i.e. declare 2 facts about this page element) then they *MIGHT* also consider the slightly wordier: as a possible option (thoughts?) JF FROM: Steve Faulkner [mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com] SENT: Monday, January 27, 2014 2:00 AM TO: HTMLWG WG CC: HTML Accessibility Task Force SUBJECT: bug: Alt text should identify image class when relevant Hi all, any thoughts on this bug would be appreciated: BUG 23207 [2] - Alt text should identify image class when relevant The particular case that is being called out is when there is an logo that is the sole content of a link, and thus the alt text is the link text: code example[1] the bug reporter is suggesting that because the image is a logo this information should be included in the text. My thinking is that as the primary purpose of the image in the context it is being used is as link content, the alt text should be a brief description of the link target only. [1]http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/embedded-content-0.html#a-link-or-button-containing-nothing-but-an-image [4] any thoughts? -- Regards SteveF HTML 5.1 [5] Links: ------ [1] http://w3.org [2] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=23207 [3] http://w3.org [4] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/embedded-content-0.html#a-link-or-button-containing-nothing-but-an-image [5] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/
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