- From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
- Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 19:18:10 -0400
- To: Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>
- Cc: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>, Cynthia Shelly <cyns@microsoft.com>, "Michael Cooper (cooper@w3.org)" <cooper@w3.org>, "Edward O'Connor" <eoconnor@apple.com>, "public-html-a11y@w3.org" <public-html-a11y@w3.org>, Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com>
Paul: I'll take your direct question as directed to the respective actionees, noting (again) that their due date is this coming Thursday. A tickler is certainly in order. There were other items agreed, however, not captured in action items. I believe Ted agreed several changes that would be good to have in place before Thursday's TF call, e.g. "printer" rather than "screen reader," Ted? Janina Paul Cotton writes: > > [NEW] ACTION: cynthia to file HTML bug about methods that should fail when an element has @hidden set [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/10/04-html-a11y-minutes.html#action02] > >[NEW] ACTION: MichaelC to file two HTML defects on his raised issues: 1) to determine whether @hidden overrides all CSS, and 2) to determine where focus goes when a focused element becomes hidden. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2012/10/04-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01] > > Have these two actions items been done? > > /paulc > > Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada > 17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3 > Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Janina Sajka [mailto:janina@rednote.net] > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 6:45 PM > To: Sam Ruby > Cc: Paul Cotton; Edward O'Connor; public-html-a11y@w3.org; Richard Schwerdtfeger > Subject: Re: Review of Section 7.1 by ARIA working group in PF > > Sam, Paul: > > Looking just now at the (current) 9 October editor's draft: > http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/textFieldSelection.html#the-hidden-attribute > > I do not see changes following on the discussion at the TF call last > week: > http://www.w3.org/2012/10/04-html-a11y-minutes.html#item02 > > However, I also see actions on several individuals relating to Sec 7.1 recorded during that call that aren't due until Thursday. > > So, it seems clear we need to update progress again this week. > > Janina > > > > Sam Ruby writes: > > On 10/09/2012 02:43 PM, Paul Cotton wrote: > > >Ted > > > > > >Richard’s email below asks for an additional change related ISSUE-204. > > >Can you reply and or let us know if you are planning to make the > > >suggested change? > > > > This is not related to issue 204, and Richard has now opened a separate bug: > > > > https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19405 > > > > >/paulc > > > > > >Paul Cotton, Microsoft Canada > > >17 Eleanor Drive, Ottawa, Ontario K2E 6A3 > > >Tel: (425) 705-9596 Fax: (425) 936-7329 > > > > - Sam Ruby > > > > >*From:*Richard Schwerdtfeger [mailto:schwer@us.ibm.com] > > >*Sent:* Wednesday, October 03, 2012 6:05 PM > > >*To:* Edward O'Connor > > >*Cc:* public-html-a11y@w3.org > > >*Subject:* Re: Review of Section 7.1 by ARIA working group in PF > > > > > > > > >Rich Schwerdtfeger > > > > > >"Edward O'Connor" <eoconnor@apple.com <mailto:eoconnor@apple.com>> > > >wrote on 10/02/2012 07:03:48 PM: > > > > > >>From: "Edward O'Connor" <eoconnor@apple.com > > >><mailto:eoconnor@apple.com>> To:public-html-a11y@w3.org > > >><mailto:public-html-a11y@w3.org>, > > >>Date: 10/02/2012 07:04 PM > > >>Subject: Re: Review of Section 7.1 by ARIA working group in PF > > >> > > >>Hi Rich, > > >> > > >>You wrote: > > >> > > >>> 1. We read this text and we don't believe this text was agreed > > >>> upon by anyone and we have doubts this is enforceable[…] > > >> > > >>This text predates the ISSUE-204 discussion; in fact, it's been in > > >>the spec since March 2010: > > >> > > >>http://html5.org/r/4846 > > >> > > >>> From an accessibility perspective it does not really hurt us[…] > > >> > > >>OK. Given that, can you live with that paragraph it currently > > >>stands? If not, would it help if the example were changed from > > >>screen readers to, say, printers? > > >> > > >yes, if you were to change this to printers that would be excellent! > > > > > >>> 2. […] I don't have an issue with it[…] > > >> > > >>OK. > > >> > > >>> 4. This text refers to content being active but what is not clear > > >>> is whether "active" hidden text would appear in the tab order. We > > >>> don't believe that is the case but it needs to be stated somewhere. > > >> > > >>OK. Do you have suggested text to make that clear? > > > > > >Yes. I would suggest changing the following text: > > > > > >"Elements in a section hidden by the hidden > > ><http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/editing.html#the-hidden-attribute> > > >attribute are still active, e.g. scripts and form controls in such > > >sections still execute and submit respectively. Only their > > >presentation to the user changes." > > > > > >To: > > >Elements in a section hidden by the hidden > > ><http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/editing.html#the-hidden-attribute> > > >attribute are still active, e.g. scripts and form controls in such > > >sections still execute and submit respectively. Only their > > >presentation to the user changes. Although active, content hidden by > > >the hidden > > ><http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/editing.html#the-hidden-attribute> attribute is not focusable and does not participate in sequential focus navigation. > > > > > > > > >>> For example, what happens when you have <div tabindex="0" hidden>. > > >>> Does the div appear in the tab order? > > >> > > >>Did you try that in browsers? What happened? > > >> > > > > > >Yes, I tried it using Firefox and Chrome and both skipped the hidden > > >div. Safari (Version 6.0.1 (7536.26.14)) on Mac OSX did not allow me > > >to tab to any of the active elements whether they were visible or > > >hidden. I am not sure why. hidden does not appear to work in IE9.0.8. > > >Perhaps there is a mode I need to select. > > > > > >/(See attached file: hiddenactive.html)/ > > >> > > >>Thanks, > > >>Ted > > >> > > > > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 > sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net > Email: janina@rednote.net > > Linux Foundation Fellow > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) > Chair, Protocols & Formats http://www.w3.org/wai/pf > Indie UI http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/ > -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net Email: janina@rednote.net Linux Foundation Fellow Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) Chair, Protocols & Formats http://www.w3.org/wai/pf Indie UI http://www.w3.org/WAI/IndieUI/
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