- From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
- Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 16:28:05 -0400
- To: HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Minutes from the HTML-A11Y Task Force teleconference on 5 April are provided below in text and are available as hypertext at:
http://www.w3.org/2012/04/05-html-a11y-minutes.html
W3C
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HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
05 Apr 2012
See also: IRC log
Attendees
Present
John_Foliot, Judy, paulc, Janina_Sajka, +44.117.929.aaaa, Mike, LeifHSilli, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Leonie
Regrets
Chair
Janina_Sajka
Scribe
Steve_Faulkner, JF, Stevef
Contents
* Topics
1. Subteam Reports: Text; Canvas; ARIA Mappings
* Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 05 April 2012
<janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y Task Force Teleconference
<janina> Scribe: Steve_Faulkner
<JF> scribe: JF
Rich: we be going to California for the F2F
Judy: we need to narrow in on a time for time at the F2F for the canvas discussion
Subteam Reports: Text; Canvas; ARIA Mappings
Janina: we need to brainstorm about that
<paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Apr/0057.html
Paul: just sent out an email to TF archive regarding F2F - call for agenda items
<Stevef> here now
<Stevef> paul: put info for f2f on wiki in regards to taskforce matters
Paul: part of the is a wiki for scheduling those types of meetings
<paulc> F2F agenda wiki: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/May2012Agenda
Rich: will likely need 60 - 90 minutes to discuss the 2 approaches
... there are some clear additional requirements beyond hit-testing - looks like full-blown paths like SVG
<Stevef> RS: for a canvas discussion, if right people are in room, 1-11/2 hrs, 2 approaches, Ians is heavier weight,
does about the same thing for a11y, discuss 2 on table and discuss. Ian wrote chnages with extra requirements, paths in
canvas like svg
<scribe> scribe: Stevef
RS: will microsoft accept the additional stuff in Ians spec text?
Janina: imprtant to have in discussion, Ian h, ted c, frank O
RS: additional roles and labels info in ians proposal, but no indication of use cases
Judy: need ample time to discuss, get definitive direction, so that the approach doesn't get changed again while people
are trying to build accessibility solutions on it.,
RS: so 2-3 hrs
janina: morning or afternoon session
RS: hopefully get consensed proposal, jonas from mozilla maybe maybe rob o'callahan
... jonas was supportive of hit testing
<paulc> FYI, Jonas Sicking has registered for WebApps and WebAppSec but NOT for HTML WG F2F.
JS: get everyone requirements on table, clear articulation, maybe gather info in advance, come to agreement about
requirments from stakeholders
... rich available either thru/fri?
RS: need to pick a day
JS: frank wants 1 day not 2
RS: chnages to canvas more than a11y
... can live with either proposal
JF: read this and discussion below, re transcript etc http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20120404#l-791
PC: thusday afternoon immediatley after lunch
... rich ask people to be there
Janina: bring it up in html wg call, who can put on wiki? rich?
Judy: text subteam met tues april 3rd working through pending issues, meta generator, longdesc getting back into
incorrect guidance in HTML5, still additional co-ordination items: issue 204, timeline for aria 1.1 not completed with
planned timeline for html5
... noted some remaining work on 204 clarification needed, to align guidenaqce in html5/aria. discussed additional
co-ordination on issue 203, static video, paused video. wnated to note didn't get into discussion, but deadline
imminenet on 203, sam was asking a few questions
... questions was if longdesc is re-instated in spec will 203 be resolved? the details of how longdesc is resolved will
effect it.
JF: re-instate longdes as per HTML4, then new chnage proposal to extend longdesc
Paul: thought we were only about 203? deadline for 194 is today
Judy: more subteam report: meta name generator discussion, about updated chnage proposal, focus on info helpful to
process stage, how 2 new bugs instersected with resolution startegy, ended up leif withdrew bugs for now
... issue 30 longdesc - timeline and next steps, chairs intent to complete process on 204 then take up issue 30
Paul: 204 has call for alkternate closes on 18th april and you can be sure that if we see a new chnage proposal will
review quickly,
JS: taskforce will look at section 5.1.2 to make sure that whatever chnage proposal we provide will bring
html5/aria/aria UA guide into concordance
paul: provided reveiw comments but didn't give deadline to make changes on reviews, will go to survey quickly as
possible
judy: do not hold off, so we can get back to issue 30
paul: so hopefully we can get to decision on 204 and move onto issue 30 survey, expect to occur in May
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652635
<JF> +Q
RS: rich doesn't like the mozilla approach, when you do describedby to anchor, anchor does not have to be in vicinity
of item being describedby, you also add additional authoring complexity, would rather inbuilt mechanism
... prefers tighter mechanism
... had meeting with d bolter, d mazzonis, s pfieffer agreed needed in context , adding in aria stepping over boundarys
JF: putting link offscreen?
RS: trying to provide mainstream feature
... mozilla implementation is a hack
<LeifHSilli> http://malform.no/blog/an-aria-for-long-description-links
leif: wrote blog post would like feedback
judy: concerened that there will be infinite number of design approaches
RS: if we are going to do it in non aria attribute, why would you not take longdesc and use it on all elements, its not
well defined so improve it
<LeifHSilli> must leave
JS: at very least will need to be added to video
<JF> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#exclude_elements
JS: still not happy with current langauge around hidden in the UA guide
... 1 more item; issue 194 now has 2 proposals new proposal seems to have merit, please come up to speed on the various
proposals and if we as a taskforce support any particular proposal
JF: ted has done fair amount of investigation, if we can get browsers to implement what he is proposing thats the goal
Summary of Action Items
[End of minutes]
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