- From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
- Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 14:17:53 -0500
- To: HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Minutes from the HTML-A11Y Task Force Text Subteam teleconference on
Tuesday 21 February are provided below in text and available as
hypertext at:
http://www.w3.org/2012/02/21-text-minutes.html
W3C
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SV_MEETING_TITLE
21 Feb 2012
See also: IRC log
Attendees
Present
Janina, Judy, David_MacDonald, Laura_Carlson
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
david
Contents
* Topics
1. discuss meta-name generator re-open denial, and further revisions or formal objection
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Feb/0141.html
2. discuss actions as needed in response to 204 (ARIA describedby as it relates to longdesc)
3. confirm CP revisions for WG location of alt guidance http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/movealt
4. update regarding figcaption
5. confirm next meeting (note CSUN next week); identify next scribe; adjourn
* Summary of Action Items
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discuss meta-name generator re-open denial, and further revisions or formal objection
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2012Feb/0141.html
<janina> scribe: david
<scribe> scribe: David
JB: There is considerable concern that chairs do not understand the arguments of the meta Generator proposal, do not
understand the propsal
Janina: main issue... whether or not in a CMS there still is a need for alt text...
<laura>
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposal/meta_name%3Dgenerator_does_not_make_missing_alt_conforming#current_usage_
of_meta_name.3Dgenerator_.28New.29
Janina: important to understand that there is no CMS that prevent the ability to provide ALT text,
<laura>
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/ImgElement20090126#HTML5_Should_Not_Facilitate_the_Creation_of_Inaccessi
ble_Content
Laura: not only CMS but all kinds of authoring tools. Dreamweaver etc...
... they all allow alt text to be created which conforms to WCAG
<Judy> Judy: We need to better emphasize that the user requirement for alt is real, but getting left out of the
decision-making process.
<Judy> Janina: the evidence that they're requesting is taking us off on tangents; they are missing the main points.
discuss actions as needed in response to 204 (ARIA describedby as it relates to longdesc)
JB: ARIA Described by... have requested a coordination meeting regarding procedural problems.
<laura> http://john.foliot.ca/aria-hidden/
<Judy> JB: notes that John Foliot collecting examples to disprove the premise of the 204 call for proposal
<Judy> ...he needs to post it onto the lists
<Judy> Janina: or analyze it first
<Judy> JB: i'll suggest that he posts it
<Judy> JS: FYI, there is 'vestigial' text in ARIA that needs to be updated...
confirm CP revisions for WG location of alt guidance http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/movealt
<Judy> JS: sent survey on SF CP on WG location of alt guidance
<Judy> ...will close tomorrow before the TF
<Judy> JB: people may not understand that it's still open for comment
<Judy> JS: will extend.
update regarding figcaption
<Judy> JB: the example evidence for alt was not as I expected; fewer long ones than I expected, including many that
were "appropriate"; how interruptible is alt read-out, if starting a longer one?
<Judy> JS: usually reads out automatically
<Judy> DM: it is interruptible by arrowing down through it
<Judy> DM: and ARIA describedby is read twice on the page
<Judy> JB: are there were others that fell into a short-then-long distinction that could easily map to
alt-then-longdesc
<Judy> ...so this may best be deferrable till after longdesc is settled.
<Judy> JS: CP for ish 203 is also missing, urgent to get
<Judy> JB: ping John?
<Judy> JS: will do
confirm next meeting (note CSUN next week); identify next scribe; adjourn
<Judy> Next Meeting:
<Judy> - not next week (CSUN)
<Judy> - following week only if we have other confirmed attendance
Summary of Action Items
[End of minutes]
__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Found Scribe: David
Present: Janina Judy David_MacDonald Laura_Carlson
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