- From: John Foliot <jfoliot@stanford.edu>
- Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 14:21:56 -0700 (PDT)
- To: <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Friends, With apologies for the delay, the Minutes from *Last Thursday'*s teleconference call can be found here: http://www.w3.org/2011/09/29-html-a11y-minutes.html ...or in plain text immediately after this announcement. As is always the case, corrections and comments should be posted to this list. JF ******************* HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 29 Sep 2011 Agenda See also: IRC log Attendees Present John_Foliot, Mike, Janina, Michael_Cooper, Judy, Cynthia_Shelly, paulc, MikeSmith, Rich_Schwerdtfeger Regrets Laura_Carlson, Marco_Ranon Chair Mike_Smith Scribe Rich, JF Contents Topics Subteam Reports: Media; Text; Canvas; ARIA Mappings; Bug Triage follow-up from last week on canvas status (Rich) meta@name=generator alt-text CP (Steve) review bugzilla a11y-tf "needs info" bugs Summary of Action Items <trackbot> Date: 29 September 2011 <scribe> Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon <scribe> scribenick: JF <paulc> What is the phone number for the TF meeting? MS: waiting on Rich, as we need to follow up on some Canvas items <paulc> I am having audio/mute problems. also want to look at CP for meta-generator issue finally want to review bugs in bugzilla tagged needs into and if time allows others as well Subteam Reports: Media; Text; Canvas; ARIA Mappings; Bug Triage JB: we met this week. John is about to release a response to Jonas this week discussed what if anything to do about matt's CP Janina will be working on that, witing on John's response to be released as some of her response would be pointers to comments in John's response re: summary, Josh has updated his response a few times based on feedback Laura and others still had some concerns re: use-case gaps but laura responded today and so awaiting follow through there text sub-group supports Steve's work on Metagenerator there is a new concerns around the generated content issues that emerged from the review process but is a new issue that requires new exploration before something further can be done MS: we *do* have the metagenerator issue on today's agenda JB if questions do come up having Steve available is good MS: next, media sub team? JB: they have not been meeting of late, but are planning on reconvening MS: yes, seems everything is under control there ... Cyns, any addition s around ARIA mapping of late? Cyns: No JB: looking to possibly move the text meeting time from Monday to Tuesday. Judy will be checking and will advise via the list MS: is this to accomodate schedules? JB: yes MS: we also have the bug triage team. we will be looking at this in depth later on the call MC: main thing is we have finished going through the whole list we found some that were on the line, and have pointed them to the sub-teams others appeared fixed, but we are still watching them nest task is to look at the prioritization of the bugs in bugzilla JS: was re-reading the current decision policy. Noted some points around escaaltion issues are we aware of that MC: we are aware, and Mike Smith has discussed with chairs - will approach on a case-by-case basis JS: I am reading that if the editor puts in a WONTFIX then the clock starts ticking MC: that does not seem to be what the Chairs timeline states MS: yes, we should look at that now <paulc> I believe the last escalation date is in Jan 2012 don't beleive there is any deadline set if moved to WONTFIX, unless there has been some change to the Decision policy <MikeSmith> http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy.html <paulc> I agree with Michael Cooper. <paulc> Jan 14 is the key date. MC: my reading is next deadline is Jan. 14th for cutoof JS: refer to Section 5 [folks reviewing] <MikeSmith_> Zakim, call Mike <paulc> What document is Janina reviewing? <MikeSmith_> Zakim, call Mike JB: Paul is noting that he agrees with MC JS: perhaps I should be putting this into an email <paulc> Just give us the URL of the document - the decision-policy.html has no "section 5" JB: Just want to be sure that we are not looking at an oldre version of the Decision polidy <paulc> See http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy-v2.html MC: I am looking at both versions (V1 & V2) and not seeing any dates in either <janina> http://dev.w3.org/html5/decision-policy/decision-policy-v2.html JS: I will come back with this, as it did jump out at me will review and readdress with a more targeted question <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike <MikeSmith> Zakim, call Mike-goog <paulc> Schedule is documented in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Jun/0315.html <paulc> - Jan 14, 2012 - cutoff for escalating bugs for Last Call consideration - all Tracker Issues in Tracker, calls for proposal issued by this date follow-up from last week on canvas status (Rich) <paulc> Yes, mjs is back RS: will likely need some advice here. Is Maciej back from vacation I need Macieij to review the focus-ring /clikcable regions proposal. the question is Sam asked if Rich wants to escalate this but with vacation schedules there has been slow progresss there is another bug around clickable regions Ian dismissed it but likely just needs more infor do we need to escalate that? MS: not really sure RS: Rich is getting conflicting questions there is a defect - essentially hit-testing on canvas Ian closed it, but it's not sufficient it's not, explained to Ian and it was reopened, then same responded with the Q- do you want to escalate this? JB: this seems like a similar issue we had on the text team call as well ... if we risk a repeated open/close go 'round then perhaps we should escalate MS: hixie already clsed this, but then Rich responded with further clarrification, but hixie has not yet responded so not sure if we need to act yet MS: My understanding of the process is that we have the right to take the WONTFIX response and then escalate it RS: I reopened it, should I escalate it? MS: you are the one to make the call there the criteria is whether you have a chance of changing hixie's mind or not in this case, unsure MS: but you do not have to wait to hear from him to escalate it however If that is the case, revert it back to the editor's WONTFIX status and then tag with Issue Tracker RS: that seems odd to do MS: it is just you reverting it back to the original state of the response from the Editor the other thing is that we can raise the priority of thie bug in hixies queue that might be a better way to move this forward ask the chairs to raise the priority RS: there is that one, and there is another one around binding mouse-events I have responded to hixie's request for more info, but have not heard from hixie Sam asked if Rich wanted to escalate that one too, but there has been no responsce MS: seems the best thing to do at this time is advise the chairs about this and ask for a quicker response RS: Moz has indicated that they want to implement this MS: this is important and significant info that needs to be brought forward <richardschwerdtfe> The two defects are: <richardschwerdtfe> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13176 <richardschwerdtfe> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13181 MS: do think next step is to get on HTML WG call today <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/2011/09/22-html-a11y-minutes.html MS: Please do include the new info re: Moz's desire to implement <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13391 <MikeSmith> ScrollElementIntoView RS: discussed this with Jonas. If we implement this it gets applied to layout manager. So this can be closed MS, this is what we need/want? RS: yes MS will follow with chairs on the other 2 bugs today RS: really need Maciej to look at the CP Rich has authored MS: will bring up those 3 things on today's call meta@name=generator alt-text CP (Steve) <richardschwerdtfe> scribe: Rich <richardschwerdtfe> janina: the situation with the meta generator is not really the case. I am agreeing it is OK to have images without ALT <richardschwerdtfe> janina: Reading Steve's Proposal ... <richardschwerdtfe> JF: I don' t think that is explicitly what Steve is saying <janina> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposal/meta_name%3Dgenerator_does_n ot_make_missing_alt_conforming <richardschwerdtfe> JF: This is a serious issue as every CMS is generating a name value into their templates <richardschwerdtfe> JF: ... breaking images with alt images is being conformant <richardschwerdtfe> JF: role="presentation" is acceptable <richardschwerdtfe> JF: If you break this it is a free for all as the validators and meta generators would not be testing for alt text <richardschwerdtfe> Mike: The decision on the call should be whether we want to proceed with this change proposal <richardschwerdtfe> Judy: I am not sure if you are responding .... Are there still questions. If you and John are looking at this differently then we have a problem. We can't ask for task level support until this is respolved. <richardschwerdtfe> janina: I did re-read it <richardschwerdtfe> judy: I am proposing that we take it back into the sub team <richardschwerdtfe> janina: OK <richardschwerdtfe> scribe: JF <richardschwerdtfe> ye review bugzilla a11y-tf "needs info" bugs <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=HTML+WG&keywords=a11ytf& bug_status=RESOLVED&resolution=NEEDSINFO MS: these are important because nothing will change until we (or an individual) takes some action <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7721 MC: propose that the most important ones are those assigned to hixie MS: there has been no discussion on this in over a year last year hixie made significant changes to the D n D section <MichaelC> actually, the ones that *are* assigned to Ian are most important for us to look at because nobody is currently doing so MS: asked Gez to re-review to see if the issues were addressed. Propose to close this with a comment MC: assigned another D n D bug to Gez as well. agree this is stale but we need to be careful MS: looking at the ones that MC suggested we prioritize <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8645 MS: there are some specific questions there, so an action is to ensure specific responses are provided ... any volunteers? ... 2 specific questions asked [MS reviewing the bug] MS: this seems that this should be taken up by text team JB: will bring it up on next call MS: action on text team MC: need a deligate RS: label or aria-labeledby can also do the same thing JB: will review and bring back to this group next week <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8885 <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8644 <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/66 <MikeSmith> action-66? MS: given that Gez raised this, it would be good if he responded <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/90 <MikeSmith> action-90? MS: note that 2 actions arose from this ... with trackbot down, cannot follow up on these actions at this time ... with only 5 minutes left, perhaps a quick review to highlight bigger issues ... we have 3 open bugs around ARIA integration, but we need to go though unlikely that MS can provide the required info although first one seems to be mostly editorial in nature MC: can assign to me <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11891 MS: OK, sound good <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11892 <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=11893 <Zakim> MikeSmith, you wanted to mention chairs' response about requests from re-prioritizing of bugs MS: these seem mostly editorial on nature. Hixie was something to point to ... we really need to focus on this list next week we only got through about half Summary of Action Items [End of minutes]
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