- From: John Foliot <jfoliot@stanford.edu>
- Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 09:33:01 -0700 (PDT)
- To: "'Richard Schwerdtfeger'" <schwer@us.ibm.com>, "'Steve Faulkner'" <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
- Cc: "'Ian Hickson'" <ian@hixie.ch>, "'Maciej Stachowiak'" <mjs@apple.com>, "'Paul Cotton'" <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, "'HTMLWG WG'" <public-html@w3.org>, "'HTML Accessibility Task Force'" <public-html-a11y@w3.org>, "'Sam Ruby'" <rubys@intertwingly.net>, <jbrewer@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <02a701cc81ea$1dcdf8f0$5969ead0$@edu>
I add my support to this request. How does this continue to happen? When will the editor realize that this is not "his" specification, and that working group decisions cannot be over-turned at his whim? I will ask that the chairs also make this a priority revert, and look forward to confirmation. JF From: public-html-a11y-request@w3.org [mailto:public-html-a11y-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Richard Schwerdtfeger Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 6:10 AM To: Steve Faulkner Cc: Ian Hickson; Maciej Stachowiak; Paul Cotton; HTMLWG WG; HTML Accessibility Task Force; Sam Ruby; jbrewer@w3.org Subject: Re: revert request for spec change http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=6609&to=6610 I support a revert. The chairs have already reached consensus on the use of role for these elements. No formal proposal was made and even if it was no evidence was provided to support these assertions which Ian has simply raised again without formal proposal. Should this be allowed I would argue that all members be allowed editor writes to change the spec. whenever they please. Rich Rich Schwerdtfeger CTO Accessibility Software Group Inactive hide details for Steve Faulkner ---10/02/2011 07:27:12 AM---Dear Chairs, The html5 editor has made a conformance changSteve Faulkner ---10/02/2011 07:27:12 AM---Dear Chairs, The html5 editor has made a conformance change to the a element in respect From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> To: Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>, HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch> Cc: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org> Date: 10/02/2011 07:27 AM Subject: revert request for spec change http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=6609 <http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=6609&to=6610> &to=6610 _____ Dear Chairs, The html5 editor has made a conformance change to the a element in respect to theARIA roles that can be used. The conformance requirements present in the spec prior to the change were the result of this working group decision http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2011Mar/0005.html subsequently a bug was filed: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=13265#c0 this bug proffers no new data or evidence, it simply states: "Should disallow <a> elements to be made into buttons, checkboxes, radio buttons, tabs, or tree items, since those are all semantic abuse" On the baseis of the above comment the editor made the change. The rationale provided by the editor proffered no new data or evidence only vague staments about 'hurting accessibility' Vague unsubstantiated statements are not sufficient to override a working group decision, Changing the conformance requirements because "Hixie said so" is not a convincing reason as hixie himself [1] said so recently. I therefor request that this change be reverted (http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=6609 <http://html5.org/tools/web-apps-tracker?from=6609&to=6610> &to=6610). If the editor can bring new data to the working group then of course the issue can be reconsidered -- with regards Steve Faulkner Technical Director - TPG www.paciellogroup.com <http://www.paciellogroup.com/> | www.HTML5accessibility.com <http://www.html5accessibility.com/> | www.twitter.com/stevefaulkner HTML5: Techniques for providing useful text alternatives - dev.w3.org/html5/alt-techniques/ Web Accessibility Toolbar - www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html <http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html>
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