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Re: Request to Reconsider ISSUE-80 Decision

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 10:10:05 +0100
Message-ID: <BANLkTik83VKpW-9vE2D7ZLXZuFso6fSnmw@mail.gmail.com>
To: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>
Cc: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>, Paul Cotton <Paul.Cotton@microsoft.com>, "Michael(tm) Smith (mike@w3.org)" <mike@w3.org>, HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>, public-html@w3.org, Judy Brewer <jbrewer@w3.org>, philippe.w3c@rednote.net
Hi Maciej, thanks for the feedback,

I would like to take this into account and update the proposal accordingly,
so will request to revisit the proposal with the a11y taskforce.


On 17 May 2011 22:40, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> wrote:

> Janina, Steve, A11Y TF, and others,
> Due to the ongoing AC meeting, the Chairs will not be able to convene to
> give a formal reply on this reopen request for a couple of days.
> In the meantime, I wanted to send my personal feedback for improving the
> new information parts of the submitted Change Proposal. Note: these are just
> my personal comments on possible ways to strengthen the reopen request. They
> are not vetted by my co-Chairs, nor are they mandatory demands, they are
> just suggestions.
> --> New information: Browser vendors have not made a commitment to provide
> (input) device independent access to title attribute content
> This is related to one of the types of new information requested.
> Specifically, what was requested is "Evidence that the number of
> implementations exposing title in an accessible way is decreasing, or that
> some existing implementations are unwilling or unable to expose it in an
> accessible way." The evidence presented shows that browser vendors are
> unwilling to publicly commit to offering more device-independent access to
> the title attribute. It would be more effective to have statements where
> browser vendors say on the record that they absolutely won't implement, or
> believe it is not possible to do.
> (Browser vendor representatives are encouraged to clarify they intent.)
> --> New information: title attribute semantics and usage is ambiguous
> The crux of this argument:
> > In order for the title attribute to be suitable in place of the alt, it's
> semnatics and implementation need provide clear differentiation for the end
> user, for AT users it does not. All browsers (except Safari on Mac, but the
> difference in mapping does not equate to the two being differentiated by
> VoiceOver) treat these 2 cases the same in regards to accessibility API
> mapping
> The factual assertion here seems well established. But it's not clear why
> this is information relevant to the decision. It would improve the reopen
> request to explain why the title attribute's "semnatics and implementation
> need provide clear differentiation for the end user", and why this is
> relevant to the decision (as opposed to something that could be filed as a
> separate bug).
> --> New information: Most Graphical browsers do not display title text when
> images are not displayed
> This also seems to be factually correct. It would improve the reopen
> request to explain why this is relevant to the decision.
> --> New information: decision promotes convergence of alt and title
> behaviors
> This identifies a possible overlooked disadvantage of allowing missing alt
> to be conforming when title is present. That would potentially be relevant
> to the decision, since such disadvantages we weighed as part of the
> individual decisions. It would be helpful to further explain the nature and
> severity of the problems that could be caused convergence of alt and title
> behaviors.
> Regards,
> Maciej
> On May 14, 2011, at 7:20 PM, Janina Sajka wrote:
> > As logged at http://www.w3.org/2011/05/12-html-a11y-minutes.html,
> > the HTML-A11Y Task Force hereby requests expedited reconsideration of
> > Issue-80 Title.
> >
> > *RESOLUTION: Task Force supports Steve's reopened request and change
> > proposal at http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/notitle and
> > recommends that it be forwarded to the HTML WG*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Janina Sajka, Phone:  +1.443.300.2200
> >               sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
> >
> > Chair, Open Accessibility     janina@a11y.org
> > Linux Foundation              http://a11y.org
> >
> > Chair, Protocols & Formats
> > Web Accessibility Initiative  http://www.w3.org/wai/pf
> > World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
> >
> >

with regards

Steve Faulkner
Technical Director - TPG

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