- From: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>
- Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 23:41:17 +0200
- To: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
- Cc: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>, HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Hi Steve, Steve Faulkner, Mon, 9 May 2011 21:24:09 +0100: ... > keyboard access to title attribute content is 100% of the matter. It definitely is a matter if the authors stuffs lots of useful info into @title *and* places very useless info into the @alt - thus I understand your *general* sceptical attitude towards reliance on @title. But should not be a matter at all whenever a user is using an UAs which displays the @title without keyboard focus. ... > webkit based mobile browsers ONLY show title when images are disabled Even @alt is not shown unless images are disabled. So what's the issue? >>Leif: If screenreaders treat the two images the same, then that >>sounds like an argument in support for the Decision: we are not faced >>with a situation where they do not get access to some fallback for the >>image. > > the point is that the fallback is not a text alternative BUT there is > no indication that it is not the semantics are ambiguous. Why do *users* need to know, right there and then, that they look at the "wrong" fallback? >> Leif: Unclear. I disabled images in Opera, hovered above where image >>was supposed to be - and voila > > voila only for mouse users. That's true. My issue was that you seemed to speak more broadly. You should perhaps tighten up the text. > apologies, don't have any more time to respond to your further > comments at this time. I'm grateful for your replies. Btw, on comment, on myself: > StevePC: ' plans to follow webkit's lead' ? Chaals reply: "I don't > believe we have any such plan (I hope not, too)." > Leif: Why not allow UAs to repair for lack of @alt using @title > instead of the 'Image' text that Opera now uses? It seems that Webkit's behaviour covered by what HTML5 says about repairing for lack of @alt: ]] While user agents are encouraged to repair cases of missing alt attributes, authors must not rely on such behavior. [[ And I think that you could put it in your change proposal that HTML5 says that authors are MUST NOT rely on such repair behaviour. -- Leif H Silli
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