- From: Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
- Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:13:04 -0400
- To: HTML Accessibility Task Force <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Minutes from today's teleconference of the ARIA Mapping Subteam are
available as text below, and as HTML at:
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/11-aria-minutes.html
W3C
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ARIA mapping group - HTML A11Y TF
11 May 2010
Agenda
See also: IRC log
Attendees
Present
Janina, Rich, Steve_Faulkner, Michael_Cooper, Cynthia_Shelly
Regrets
Chair
Steve_Faulkner
Scribe
janina
Contents
* Topics
* Summary of Action Items
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<MichaelC> Last week's minutes
<MichaelC> ARIA mapping issues and actions
<cshelly> url for actions?
<MichaelC> action-39: duplicate of action-38
<MichaelC> close action-39
<MichaelC> action-2: superseded by the creation of the ARIA mapping sub-group
<MichaelC> close action-2
<MichaelC> scribe: janina
<scribe> scribe: janina
general discussion trying to achieve clarity on our actions
http://www.w3.org/2010/05/04-aria-minutes
sf: the current (modified) mapping doc is roughly this
... understand we need a rationale
cs: let's look at the role categories -- where's the table?
<cshelly> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/roles#roles_categorization
cs: looking at this link is descendent of widget, should it be overwritable by any widget?
sf: somewhat confused ... command is also subclass of widget
<davidb> regrets, I am IRC only for now
cs: pieces of a slider often made of links, but not the slider itself ...
... is it inputs that are not also composites?
sf: spinbutton is subclass of range ... trying to follow the text because can't follow the chart
cs: buttons, list items, and menu items, and tree items most link users
... does turning a link into a checkbox make sense?
sf: seen it being done
... looking for an example
... aren't we just going to define by mapping
cs: so it's buttons and options?
rs: anything activatable -- so not grid
mc: i updated taxonomy last week, some where hard to graph
<cshelly> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/rdf_model
<richardschwerdtfe> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria/rdf_model.svg
cs: link is a command--so we can say all commands can replace each other
agreement
cs: so, links can be turned into commands and ranges
agreement
sf: thumb displaying the range isn't marked with a role, is it?
... usually slider is a container element
cs: it's clearer that commands are the same
... range does seem very different
... can't say i've seen a lot of this
rs: not difficult
cs: can menu items?
rs: suppose
cs: doesn't seem to make sense
rs: perhaps a spinbutton
cs: but ht5 already has
rs: but as a range item
... could have a menu item with a slider in it
<cshelly> Commands can all replace each other
<cshelly> buttons and links are special cased. they can be replaced by ranges which are not composites
<cshelly> commands=link, button, menuitem, menuitemcheckbox, treeitem, menuitemradio
above from cs appears to be group consensus
further checking via the diagram
mc: explaining uml convention where arrow points to parent
<cshelly> ranges that are not composites = progressbar, slider, scrollbar
mc: another internal convention is that all roles are in rows
... anything below is descendent
cs: option is a command in ht5,
mc: but not here ...
cs: suggest: any role can be overwritten by a descendent
mc: should one of our best design patterns
cs: a bp or this doc
mc: both
cs: suggest: div and span can be overwritten by anything
sf: take that for granted
janina: never take rocks for granite
general agreement
cs; inputs are trickier ...
cs: options often overwritten by menu item
... expect ht5 to do that automagically
sf: inputs in ref to command?
cs: looking at taxonomy
... not reasonable to say all inputs can overwrite each other
sf: what about tree item
cs: not a command
... it's a list item
... so three decisions -- and if we see this doesn't work, probably a taxonomy error
sf: sounds good
cs: so next week i'm due for a draft
sf: yes, all of us
... rich, cyns, and steve
rs: i'm out next week
cs: should discuss input or my deliverable
... which is best?
... maybe inputs, ranges and some coposite for next week
<cyns> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9326
Summary of Action Items
[End of minutes]
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Found Scribe: janina
Present: Janina Rich Steve_Faulkner Michael_Cooper Cynthia_Shelly
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