- From: Gregory J. Rosmaita <oedipus@hicom.net>
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 02:24:40 +0000
- To: public-html-a11y@w3.org
aloha! minutes from the 21 January 2010 HTML Accessibility Task Force telecon are available as hypertext at: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/21-html-a11y-minutes.html as an IRC log at: http://www.w3.org/2010/01/21-html-a11y-irc and as plain text following my signature; thanks to Mike Smith not only for chairing, but for picking up the scribing towards the last portion of the meeting when i lost my IRC connection -- as usual, comments, corrections, mis-attributions and the like should be logged by replying-to this announcement on-list. note that 1 new action item was logged at today's HTML A11y TF call: * ACTION-14: GJR - work with Canvas sub-group on tactile and braille media types/groups proposal for CSS WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/21-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01] * http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/14 the next HTML Accessibility Task Force meeting will be held on 28 January 2010 at 1600h UTC thanks, gregory. _________________________________________________________________ - DRAFT - HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference 21 Jan 2010 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jan/0231.html See also: IRC log [http://www.w3.org/2010/01/21-html-a11y-irc] Attendees Present Michael_Cooper, Gregory_Rosmaita, John_Foliot, Steven_Faulkner, Wendy_Chisholm, Jon_Gunderson, Ben_Caldwell, Erik_Carlson, Denis_Boudreau, Paul_Cotton, Marco_Ranon, Martin_Kliehm, Mike_Smith, Charles_McCathieNevile, Janina_Sajka, Geoff_Freed, Markku_Hakkinen Regrets Laura_Carlson, Kelly_Ford, Bruce_Lawson, Gez_Lemon, Aurélien_Levy, Sylvia_Phieffer Chair Mike_Smith Scribe oedipus Contents * Topics 1. Review open action items 2. reports from TF Subgroups (Canvas; Video; ...) 3. reports from TF subgroups 4. Review of "a11y" bugs * Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 21 January 2010 <kliehm> that me http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/ Review open action items <MikeSmith> action-6? <trackbot> ACTION-6 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to address fragments versus entire pages as alternatives with HTML WG members -- due 2010-01-21 -- OPEN <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/6 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/overdue <MikeSmith> action-6 due 01-28 <trackbot> ACTION-6 address fragments versus entire pages as alternatives with HTML WG members due date now 01-28 <MikeSmith> action-7? <trackbot> ACTION-7 -- Gregory Rosmaita to propose braille media type (as opposed to simply tactile) or sub-type after consulting with Braille-in-DAISY and others -- due 2010-01-15 -- OPEN <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/7 <gfreed> yes, it is. <scribe> scribe: oedipus <MikeSmith> action-7: this action has been completed and next steps include taking a proposal to CSS WG <trackbot> ACTION-7 propose braille media type (as opposed to simply tactile) or sub-type after consulting with Braille-in-DAISY and others notes added <MikeSmith> close action-7 <trackbot> ACTION-7 propose braille media type (as opposed to simply tactile) or sub-type after consulting with Braille-in-DAISY and others closed <mhakkinen> i called in ... might be pp8 <gfreed> yes, 300 is gfreed at wgbh. <scribe> ACTION: GJR - work with Canvas sub-group on tactile and braille media types/groups proposal for CSS WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/21-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - - work with Canvas sub-group on tactile and braille media types/groups proposal for CSS WG [on Gregory Rosmaita - due 2010-01-28]. <MichaelC> Geoff_Freed is Markku_Hakkinen <MichaelC> zaki, Geoff_Freed is Markku_Hakkinen <MikeSmith> action-14 due 2010-02-14 <trackbot> ACTION-14 - work with Canvas sub-group on tactile and braille media types/groups proposal for CSS WG due date now 2010-02-14 MS: closed ACTION-7, created ACTION-14 on GJR ... ACTION-9 - Coooper and i discussed; tracker may not have been updated <MikeSmith> action-9? <trackbot> ACTION-9 -- Michael Cooper to make a proposal for which bugs we should take on, for review at next meeting -- due 2010-01-21 -- OPEN <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/9 MC: sent email linked to action before call; identify 10 categories to focus on; other matters need attention, but TF probably not best place for them MS: ok <MikeSmith> action-9: MichaelC sent e-mail summary on 01-21 <trackbot> ACTION-9 Make a proposal for which bugs we should take on, for review at next meeting notes added http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jan/0245.html MS: close Action-9 <MikeSmith> close action-9 <trackbot> ACTION-9 Make a proposal for which bugs we should take on, for review at next meeting closed MS: need to keep that summary list for later reference ... Action 10 on GJR <MikeSmith> action-10? <trackbot> ACTION-10 -- Gregory Rosmaita to work with Wendy on user-side of what AT needs in order to communicate meaningful info to AT user -- due 2010-01-21 -- OPEN <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/10 GJR: tied to wendy action -- talked to her, but couldn't make connection MS: title on Action 11 not clear wendy? JS need timeline; extend action 11 for 1 week -- reassigned to wendy per discussion at 2010-01-21 HTML A11y TF MS: action 11 open - please communicate by email or at next call <MikeSmith> action-11 due 2010-01-11 <trackbot> ACTION-11 - report on timeline for summary verbiage about what AT needs to communicate and report back to HTML5 A11y TF due date now 2010-01-11 <MikeSmith> close action-10 <trackbot> ACTION-10 Work with Wendy on user-side of what AT needs in order to communicate meaningful info to AT user closed MS: close action 10? GJR: yes MS: Action 12 - http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/12 - not due until next week ... Ensure there is a dependency between the HTML5 specification and the HTML 5 2D Context specification to ensure that the author has the ability to set the visible focus, for <canvas>, to ensure that a magnifier may follow the visual focus. This would be driven by the shadow DOM <MikeSmith> action-12? <trackbot> ACTION-12 -- Steve Faulkner to ensure there is a dependency between the HTML5 specification and the HTML 5 2D Context specification to ensure that the author has the ability to set the visible focus, for <canvas>, to ensure that a magnifier may follow the visual focus. This would be driven by the shadow DOM. -- due 2010-01-25 -- OPEN <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/12 SF: been in lots of discussion on this topic over past few days; get formal understanding of it and report back to TF MS: ok, keep open - not due today anyway <MikeSmith> action-12: Steve continues to work on this <trackbot> ACTION-12 Ensure there is a dependency between the HTML5 specification and the HTML 5 2D Context specification to ensure that the author has the ability to set the visible focus, for <canvas>, to ensure that a magnifier may follow the visual focus. This would be driven by the shadow DOM. notes added <MikeSmith> action-13? <trackbot> ACTION-13 -- Cynthia Shelly to create a change proposal for table summary -- due 2010-01-21 -- OPEN <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/13 MS: action 13 - http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/13 CS: just sent to list few minutes ago http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jan/0249.html http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Summary_Change_Proposal_Nov_18%2C_2 009 MS: we can say that this reflects consensus of Task Force? CS: i believe so JS: not having read latest yet, don't want to say, but expect need a bit of discussion perhaps today or next week; need to focus on finalizing and transmission to HTML WG CS: but action done ... please add as agenda item next week PC: why not do call for consensus via email on proposal JS: not bad idea - problem with email is counting noses <MikeSmith> action-13: message from Cynthia - http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jan/0249.html <trackbot> ACTION-13 create a change proposal for table summary notes added JS: suggest for chairs meeting, use web survey mechanism for polling - gives reliable account qickly PC: thought TF already worked on this and need to ensure reflects decisions; asking for last check, don't need survey CS: is not unanimity on proposal - may be easiest to determine majority/minority with a survey PC: if put of discussion for a week, will be 2 weeks before gets to HTML WG MS: call for consensus via email one expeditious means of dealing with this <MikeSmith> close action-13 <trackbot> ACTION-13 create a change proposal for table summary closed MS: for now, will close action 13 CS: discuss next week? JS: expect so PC: HTML WG action 170 at WG level due next week ... status of that work? JS: in process ... not forgotten or languishing reports from TF Subgroups (Canvas; Video; ...) <MikeSmith> Paul asked about HTML WG action 170 reports from TF subgroups JF: steve and i had conversation this week; need to kick something into gear; ... series of basic questions to consider; first step: get questions out for general discussion ... situation right now; proof-of-concepts for providing captions - which directions do we want to focus on - many possibilities emerging ... timing, timestamp formate, etc. ... need to articulate questions and get open to public ... aware of urgency MS: others help? GJR: make wiki page with questoins on TF wiki? JF: can't think of anything offhand - need to review past work and past resources; whole bunch of work done in mozilla; javascript to provide captions been demonstrated ... will take responsibility to get before the public SF: what is current status: still need additional code in HTML5 to provide, or about evangelizing and using external methods <Laura> Dave started a Multimedia Q&A Wiki Page: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Multimedia_Q%26A JF: fundamental question; seen 2 very distinct solutions proferred; there are existing solutions do we want to explore each or get down and dirty, require captioning and detail requirements and methods <Joshue> There seems to be even no consensus about a lot of stuff with <canvas> such as what a shadow DOM is. JF: do it for reason Y and here are methods; don't know answer off top of head MS: need to check in again and make an assessment of how much has been done, current state of art; maybe need additional people in multimedia sub-group JF: by next week's call will have list of questions - post to maililng list first SF: can give quick update on CANVAS ... low attendance at meetings ... changes as far as providing focus - drawing focus rectangle on CANVAS and also interactivity with elements in CANVAS sub-DOM ... looks promising from my perspective ... outreach being made to developers ... media queries for providing alternative content for CANVAS - more problematic; not agreed to within sub-group ... RichS running discussions down; working on proposal MS: seems like deliverable for CANVAS discussion is the spec, right? SF: right MS: any editors writing that spec? SF: RichS writing portion of text for spec ... concept of CANVAS fallback is no longer suitable concept for what is in canvas sub-DOM; appears that providing interattion with elements in sub-DOM may be mainstream way for devs to have directives / controls that only appear on canvas, but user can still interact with elements in sub-DOM itself, so saying "this is fallback" is no longer correct JS: why a subgroup - a lot to consider <MikeSmith> q <Joshue> Thanks to Chaals for explaining the murky world of the shadow DOM! <MikeSmith> wendy: regarding "ACTION-11 - report on timeline for summary verbiage about what AT needs to communicate and report back to HTML5 A11y TF" do you have a timeline to report today? <Stevef> canvas image map example: http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/misc/canvas-pie/pie.html <MikeSmith> action-11 due 2010-02-04 <trackbot> ACTION-11 - report on timeline for summary verbiage about what AT needs to communicate and report back to HTML5 A11y TF due date now 2010-02-04 <MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/201001_ftf/ <MikeSmith> MikeSmith: TF members who have not responded to that survey should please do so <Marco_Ranon> i will after speaking to my line manager tomorow <wendy> is it possible to co-locate it with www or csun? Review of "a11y" bugs <MikeSmith> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jan/0245.html <paulc> Leaving to go to HTML WG meeting. <kliehm> Just contacted Julian Viereck (http://twitter.com/jviereck), one of the lead developers of Bespin, and invited him to the TF Canvas Subgroup. When is the weekly telcon? <Stevef> kliehm: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2010JanMar/0044.html <MikeSmith> we'll be back next week, with Janina chairing <dboudreau> take care all Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: GJR - work with Canvas sub-group on tactile and braille media types/groups proposal for CSS WG [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2010/01/21-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01] [End of minutes] _________________________________________________________________
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