- From: Gregory J. Rosmaita <oedipus@hicom.net>
- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 02:24:40 +0000
- To: public-html-a11y@w3.org
aloha!
minutes from the 21 January 2010 HTML Accessibility Task Force telecon
are available as hypertext at:
http://www.w3.org/2010/01/21-html-a11y-minutes.html
as an IRC log at:
http://www.w3.org/2010/01/21-html-a11y-irc
and as plain text following my signature; thanks to Mike Smith not only
for chairing, but for picking up the scribing towards the last portion
of the meeting when i lost my IRC connection -- as usual, comments,
corrections, mis-attributions and the like should be logged by
replying-to this announcement on-list.
note that 1 new action item was logged at today's HTML A11y TF call:
* ACTION-14: GJR - work with Canvas sub-group on tactile and
braille media types/groups proposal for CSS WG [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/01/21-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]
* http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/14
the next HTML Accessibility Task Force meeting will be held on
28 January 2010 at 1600h UTC
thanks, gregory.
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HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
21 Jan 2010
Agenda:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jan/0231.html
See also: IRC log [http://www.w3.org/2010/01/21-html-a11y-irc]
Attendees
Present
Michael_Cooper, Gregory_Rosmaita, John_Foliot, Steven_Faulkner,
Wendy_Chisholm, Jon_Gunderson, Ben_Caldwell, Erik_Carlson,
Denis_Boudreau, Paul_Cotton, Marco_Ranon, Martin_Kliehm,
Mike_Smith, Charles_McCathieNevile, Janina_Sajka, Geoff_Freed,
Markku_Hakkinen
Regrets
Laura_Carlson, Kelly_Ford, Bruce_Lawson, Gez_Lemon,
Aurélien_Levy, Sylvia_Phieffer
Chair
Mike_Smith
Scribe
oedipus
Contents
* Topics
1. Review open action items
2. reports from TF Subgroups (Canvas; Video; ...)
3. reports from TF subgroups
4. Review of "a11y" bugs
* Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 21 January 2010
<kliehm> that me
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/
Review open action items
<MikeSmith> action-6?
<trackbot> ACTION-6 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to address fragments
versus entire pages as alternatives with HTML WG members -- due
2010-01-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/6
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/overdue
<MikeSmith> action-6 due 01-28
<trackbot> ACTION-6 address fragments versus entire pages as
alternatives with HTML WG members due date now 01-28
<MikeSmith> action-7?
<trackbot> ACTION-7 -- Gregory Rosmaita to propose braille media type
(as opposed to simply tactile) or sub-type after consulting with
Braille-in-DAISY and others -- due 2010-01-15 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/7
<gfreed> yes, it is.
<scribe> scribe: oedipus
<MikeSmith> action-7: this action has been completed and next steps
include taking a proposal to CSS WG
<trackbot> ACTION-7 propose braille media type (as opposed to simply
tactile) or sub-type after consulting with Braille-in-DAISY and others
notes added
<MikeSmith> close action-7
<trackbot> ACTION-7 propose braille media type (as opposed to simply
tactile) or sub-type after consulting with Braille-in-DAISY and others
closed
<mhakkinen> i called in ... might be pp8
<gfreed> yes, 300 is gfreed at wgbh.
<scribe> ACTION: GJR - work with Canvas sub-group on tactile and
braille media types/groups proposal for CSS WG [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/01/21-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-14 - - work with Canvas sub-group on tactile
and braille media types/groups proposal for CSS WG [on Gregory
Rosmaita - due 2010-01-28].
<MichaelC> Geoff_Freed is Markku_Hakkinen
<MichaelC> zaki, Geoff_Freed is Markku_Hakkinen
<MikeSmith> action-14 due 2010-02-14
<trackbot> ACTION-14 - work with Canvas sub-group on tactile and
braille media types/groups proposal for CSS WG due date now 2010-02-14
MS: closed ACTION-7, created ACTION-14 on GJR
... ACTION-9 - Coooper and i discussed; tracker may not have been
updated
<MikeSmith> action-9?
<trackbot> ACTION-9 -- Michael Cooper to make a proposal for which
bugs we should take on, for review at next meeting -- due 2010-01-21
-- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/9
MC: sent email linked to action before call; identify 10 categories to
focus on; other matters need attention, but TF probably not best place
for them
MS: ok
<MikeSmith> action-9: MichaelC sent e-mail summary on 01-21
<trackbot> ACTION-9 Make a proposal for which bugs we should take on,
for review at next meeting notes added
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jan/0245.html
MS: close Action-9
<MikeSmith> close action-9
<trackbot> ACTION-9 Make a proposal for which bugs we should take on,
for review at next meeting closed
MS: need to keep that summary list for later reference
... Action 10 on GJR
<MikeSmith> action-10?
<trackbot> ACTION-10 -- Gregory Rosmaita to work with Wendy on
user-side of what AT needs in order to communicate meaningful info to
AT user -- due 2010-01-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/10
GJR: tied to wendy action -- talked to her, but couldn't make
connection
MS: title on Action 11 not clear
wendy?
JS need timeline; extend action 11 for 1 week -- reassigned to wendy
per discussion at 2010-01-21 HTML A11y TF
MS: action 11 open - please communicate by email or at next call
<MikeSmith> action-11 due 2010-01-11
<trackbot> ACTION-11 - report on timeline for summary verbiage about
what AT needs to communicate and report back to HTML5 A11y TF due date
now 2010-01-11
<MikeSmith> close action-10
<trackbot> ACTION-10 Work with Wendy on user-side of what AT needs in
order to communicate meaningful info to AT user closed
MS: close action 10?
GJR: yes
MS: Action 12 - http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/12 - not
due until next week
... Ensure there is a dependency between the HTML5 specification and
the HTML 5 2D Context specification to ensure that the author has the
ability to set the visible focus, for <canvas>, to ensure that a
magnifier may follow the visual focus. This would be driven by the
shadow DOM
<MikeSmith> action-12?
<trackbot> ACTION-12 -- Steve Faulkner to ensure there is a dependency
between the HTML5 specification and the HTML 5 2D Context
specification to ensure that the author has the ability to set the
visible focus, for <canvas>, to ensure that a magnifier may follow the
visual focus. This would be driven by the shadow DOM. -- due
2010-01-25 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/12
SF: been in lots of discussion on this topic over past few days; get
formal understanding of it and report back to TF
MS: ok, keep open - not due today anyway
<MikeSmith> action-12: Steve continues to work on this
<trackbot> ACTION-12 Ensure there is a dependency between the HTML5
specification and the HTML 5 2D Context specification to ensure that
the author has the ability to set the visible focus, for <canvas>, to
ensure that a magnifier may follow the visual focus. This would be
driven by the shadow DOM. notes added
<MikeSmith> action-13?
<trackbot> ACTION-13 -- Cynthia Shelly to create a change proposal for
table summary -- due 2010-01-21 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/13
MS: action 13 - http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/13
CS: just sent to list few minutes ago
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jan/0249.html
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Summary_Change_Proposal_Nov_18%2C_2
009
MS: we can say that this reflects consensus of Task Force?
CS: i believe so
JS: not having read latest yet, don't want to say, but expect need a
bit of discussion perhaps today or next week; need to focus on
finalizing and transmission to HTML WG
CS: but action done
... please add as agenda item next week
PC: why not do call for consensus via email on proposal
JS: not bad idea - problem with email is counting noses
<MikeSmith> action-13: message from Cynthia -
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jan/0249.html
<trackbot> ACTION-13 create a change proposal for table summary notes
added
JS: suggest for chairs meeting, use web survey mechanism for polling -
gives reliable account qickly
PC: thought TF already worked on this and need to ensure reflects
decisions; asking for last check, don't need survey
CS: is not unanimity on proposal - may be easiest to determine
majority/minority with a survey
PC: if put of discussion for a week, will be 2 weeks before gets to
HTML WG
MS: call for consensus via email one expeditious means of dealing with
this
<MikeSmith> close action-13
<trackbot> ACTION-13 create a change proposal for table summary closed
MS: for now, will close action 13
CS: discuss next week?
JS: expect so
PC: HTML WG action 170 at WG level due next week
... status of that work?
JS: in process
... not forgotten or languishing
reports from TF Subgroups (Canvas; Video; ...)
<MikeSmith> Paul asked about HTML WG action 170
reports from TF subgroups
JF: steve and i had conversation this week; need to kick something
into gear;
... series of basic questions to consider; first step: get questions
out for general discussion
... situation right now; proof-of-concepts for providing captions -
which directions do we want to focus on - many possibilities emerging
... timing, timestamp formate, etc.
... need to articulate questions and get open to public
... aware of urgency
MS: others help?
GJR: make wiki page with questoins on TF wiki?
JF: can't think of anything offhand - need to review past work and
past resources; whole bunch of work done in mozilla; javascript to
provide captions been demonstrated
... will take responsibility to get before the public
SF: what is current status: still need additional code in HTML5 to
provide, or about evangelizing and using external methods
<Laura> Dave started a Multimedia Q&A Wiki Page:
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Multimedia_Q%26A
JF: fundamental question; seen 2 very distinct solutions proferred;
there are existing solutions do we want to explore each or get down
and dirty, require captioning and detail requirements and methods
<Joshue> There seems to be even no consensus about a lot of stuff with
<canvas> such as what a shadow DOM is.
JF: do it for reason Y and here are methods; don't know answer off top
of head
MS: need to check in again and make an assessment of how much has been
done, current state of art; maybe need additional people in multimedia
sub-group
JF: by next week's call will have list of questions - post to maililng
list first
SF: can give quick update on CANVAS
... low attendance at meetings
... changes as far as providing focus - drawing focus rectangle on
CANVAS and also interactivity with elements in CANVAS sub-DOM
... looks promising from my perspective
... outreach being made to developers
... media queries for providing alternative content for CANVAS - more
problematic; not agreed to within sub-group
... RichS running discussions down; working on proposal
MS: seems like deliverable for CANVAS discussion is the spec, right?
SF: right
MS: any editors writing that spec?
SF: RichS writing portion of text for spec
... concept of CANVAS fallback is no longer suitable concept for what
is in canvas sub-DOM; appears that providing interattion with elements
in sub-DOM may be mainstream way for devs to have directives /
controls that only appear on canvas, but user can still interact with
elements in sub-DOM itself, so saying "this is fallback" is no longer
correct
JS: why a subgroup - a lot to consider
<MikeSmith> q
<Joshue> Thanks to Chaals for explaining the murky world of the shadow
DOM!
<MikeSmith> wendy: regarding "ACTION-11 - report on timeline for
summary verbiage about what AT needs to communicate and report back to
HTML5 A11y TF" do you have a timeline to report today?
<Stevef> canvas image map example:
http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/misc/canvas-pie/pie.html
<MikeSmith> action-11 due 2010-02-04
<trackbot> ACTION-11 - report on timeline for summary verbiage about
what AT needs to communicate and report back to HTML5 A11y TF due date
now 2010-02-04
<MikeSmith> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/201001_ftf/
<MikeSmith> MikeSmith: TF members who have not responded to that
survey should please do so
<Marco_Ranon> i will after speaking to my line manager tomorow
<wendy> is it possible to co-locate it with www or csun?
Review of "a11y" bugs
<MikeSmith>
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2010Jan/0245.html
<paulc> Leaving to go to HTML WG meeting.
<kliehm> Just contacted Julian Viereck (http://twitter.com/jviereck),
one of the lead developers of Bespin, and invited him to the TF Canvas
Subgroup. When is the weekly telcon?
<Stevef> kliehm:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-canvas-api/2010JanMar/0044.html
<MikeSmith> we'll be back next week, with Janina chairing
<dboudreau> take care all
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: GJR - work with Canvas sub-group on tactile and braille
media types/groups proposal for CSS WG [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2010/01/21-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]
[End of minutes]
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