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Re: minutes: HTML Accessibility TF meeting 2010-02-25

From: Charles McCathieNevile <chaals@opera.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:42:01 +0100
To: "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <oedipus@hicom.net>, public-html-a11y@w3.org
Message-ID: <op.u8o4wbs9wxe0ny@widsith.local>
On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:32:41 +0100, Gregory J. Rosmaita  
<oedipus@hicom.net> wrote:

>    * ACTION-21: Chaals - coordinate concrete proposal for use of
>    imagemap in CANVAS
>    * http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/21

See the initial draft at  

correction to the minutes below (sorry, I missed it in the IRC :( )

> Contents
>      * Topics
>          1. Introductory Stuff
>          2. MultitrackAPI Proposal
>          3. TextAssociations proposal
>          4. Survey results for CANVAS change proposal
>          5. results for summary-details change proposal:
>             http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/44061/20100225_summary/results

> Survey results for CANVAS change proposal
>    CMN: agree on functionalities; think adom attribute is a bad idea --
>    doesn't provide functionality haven't already got
>    ... need to hammer out scenarios -- what can be done with imagemaps
>    and other approaches to making content accessible
>    ... quick note to steve - bug in latest Opera beta
this last line didn't need to be minuted, although I don't mind either way

>    ... agree that need to be able to navigate canvas; need to put stuff
>    inside canvas; need to put a11y info in CANVAS
>    ... completely disagree with adom model - but can achieve everything
>    without that attribute; can do much better if HTML4 def of imagemap
>    restored to keep things accessible
>    ... don't think extra work is that daunting;
(in the context of writing complex script-based applications)

>    ... adom very hard to explain; if shift imagemap to 4.01 capabilities,
>    would be the biggest win; adom doesn't buy anything more
>    MS: chaals, concrete alterante proposal?
>    CMN: don't do this!!!!
>    ... related to issue of what are we trying to achieve; concrete
>    proposal for use of imagemaps if returned to HTML 4.01 powere
>    MS: where is concrete proposal?
>    <scribe> ACTION: Chaals - coordinate concrete proposal for use of
>    imagemap in CANVAS [recorded in
>    http://www.w3.org/2010/02/25-html-a11y-minutes.html#action01]
>    <trackbot> Created ACTION-21 - - coordinate concrete proposal for use
>    of imagemap in CANVAS [on Charles McCathieNevile - due 2010-03-04].
>    CMN: can have both adom and imagemap

My comment was "you can have both" - but there reference was to having  
both accessibility-enhancing content and fallback content for when canvas  
doesn't render, when you use the imagemap model instead of adom (adom  
forces you to choose one or the other, and then do a bunch of scripting to  
impleent your choice nicely).

>    <MikeSmith> MikeSmith: I want to try to close off discussion on this
>    by :35 minutes after



Charles McCathieNevile  Opera Software, Standards Group
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