- From: Jon Gunderson <jongund@illinois.edu>
- Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 11:06:54 -0600 (CST)
- To: "HTML Accessibility Task Force" <public-html-a11y@w3.org>
Minutes can be found at:
http://www.w3.org/2010/02/11-html-a11y-minutes.html
DRAFT -
HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
11 Feb 2010
See also: IRC log
Attendees
Present
Regrets
Chair
Janina_Sajka
Scribe
John, Jon
Contents
* Topics
1. Action Items
2. Actions Review
3. Sub Team reports
4. reports from TF Subgroups (Canvas; Video; ...)
5. FTF Meeting
6. Summary attribute
7. Bug 8649: "Resize IFrame" reported by Gez Lemon.
8. Bug 8680: "Meaningful label in menu example" reported by Gez Lemon.
9. Bug 8681: "Separator menu items" reported by Gez Lemon.
* Summary of Action Items
<trackbot> Date: 11 February 2010
<janina> Meeting: HTML-A11Y telecon
<janina> agenda: this
<MichaelC> scribe: John
Action Items
<MikeSmith> Zazim, call Mike
MC: Only one open action item person is not here yet
<MichaelC> scribe: Jon
Actions Review
Sub Team reports
reports from TF Subgroups (Canvas; Video; ...)
JS: RS is not here, but they seem on track
DS: There are proposals on captioning and how to use descriptions, it seems to be working well
using standard HTML
... Those guys are working on what accessibility is, sign language and audio descriptions
... Proposals being made on media queries
RS: I am working on an adapation of media query for canvas, can we merge
DS: Yes, I send you something tomorrow
RS: If we can't make canvas directly accessible, we want to deliver alternative content
JS: I think it is your background noise
<MichaelC> scribeNick: jongunderson
RS: HTML5 has media query support using CSS, so content can be conditionally rendered, I am
using access for all meta data
<JF> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_MultitrackAPI
RS: I need to have an alternative to this media, when it is encountered in your markup it selectively
renders your markup
... In HTML5 says that an element supports media queries
... through access for all there are also options for simplified content
JS: We need to make one request to CSS about the use of media queries
JF: Can you join the media conference call later today
RS: Yes
JF: I will send you some information, and we should have 7-8 people there
JS: JF can you send the information to the list
... I will like to call in too
<JF> external texts: Media TextAssociations -
http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_TextAssociations
<JF> Related Bugs :
<JF> Bug 5758 Insufficient accessibility fallback for <audio> or <video>
<JF> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5758
<JF> embeddded texts: Media MultitrackAPI -
<JF> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_MultitrackAPI
<JF> Related Bugs
<JF> Bug 8659: Media events to indicate captions and audio descriptions
<JF> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=8659
<JF> Bug 5758: Insufficient accessibility fallback for <audio> or <video>
<JF> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5758
JF: There are two entries in the wiki, there is a new javascript api to extract the stuff
JS: The meeting today?
JF: Let me check that
JS: I thought it was monday boston time
JF: There was some confusion about the time
JS: Please try to do before the end of the call
... RS anything more about canvas?
RS: We have a call today, we need to get agreement on how to make canvas directly accessible,
without having a child nodes (DOM)
<JF> Correction: Media conference call is next week:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?
year=2010&month=2&day=17&hour=2&min=0&sec=0&p1=224&p2=179&p3=240&p4=28
RS: The other thing is media queries, it will need more work and it needs to sync up to video and
audio
... I will try to sync with DS work
<dsinger_> Magic. I had not worked on the axes, just the framework
RS: People can use the setting to select content in the resources, it all based on style sheets
... We will still be doing direct accessibility for canvas, there is push back on a shadow DOM in the
canvas element, we need to drive a magnifier, these canvas APIs are outside the HTML5 spec
... Within canvas you define an accessibility tree, but we need to support fall back content when
canvas is supported, we will be using javascript to check for canvas support
... It becomes your new accessibility tree that is transparent, when you land in the key
Cynthia: Basically a shadow DOM
... We need to generate an error if people don't do it
<JF> +1 to that Cyns
RS: We could do it with a media query, I am not sure how
... I get push back on stuff being to hard
JS: We need to move on
RS: The call is at 2:00 EST today
Cynthia: Yes I should be there
RS: Please bring up the validation issue
Cynthia: Thanks
SF: I don't support the media hack or best practice, due to the problem testing
JS: Lets make sure that is in the other call, glad to see things moving in the media area
... Cynthia something about IE team
Cynthia: Not done yet
FTF Meeting
JS: We have a host and a place, april 6th and 7th in Brimingham england
... MC do we have a count?
<dsinger_> Ftf regrets from DS. Eric will attend for Apple but will JF chair media?
JS: Host is National Royal Institute of the Blind
<JF> unable to go to UK - regrets
MC: The survey says 5 people checked that week as a possibility and 11 said they could meet in
Europe
JS: How many people can meet on the call today
MC: Nobody was objecting, but it is right next to Easter weekend and it interferes with vacation
plans
Cynthia: I looked at Microsoft hosting at Washington or London, we could do later
RS: I can't do the 17th, but I can do 6th and 7th
MC: We don't have a host for the 10th and the 6th and 7th are close to holiday
JS: The FTF would be on business days
... the next opportunity would not be until late april, earlier makes more sense than later
... It looks like 6th and 7th works, though it is not ideal
Cynthia: Should I stop looking at hosting?
JS: If we decide for burmingham yes your should stop
... Any one oject to burmingham?
... No objections so we will go with 6th and 7th
<dsinger_> Cool. But we do need to find a sub to chair media sessions
JS: Cynthia you can stop looking
Cynthia: I have budgeting right now, but I don't know about in the future
<dsinger_> S/burmingham/Birmingham/
Summary attribute
JS: Discovery of details and contextual context with annotation
... Cynthia can you add some more
Cynthia: Wendy, Josh and Michael started working on the semantics of tables and looking to replace
summary with something else like the detail element
... Alot of people may have issues with it, but i cam ok with it
... My concern is how the accessibility community will react
... They did more work with rowspan and colspan and make that available to accessibility APIs
... The current mapping are all over the board, we would like this more organized
... I am interested in what people think
JF: Is summary dropped?
Cynthia: Summary would be retained, but details would be the primary means
... This might be ok with people who don't like invisible stuff and this is what details is suppose to
do
... The HTML group will probably be ok, the accessibilty community may not like it
JF: It sounds fine, people will be fine it if summary still works
Cynthia: The difference with this is that this is better than what is in the spec
JF: There maybe issues with the Qubec people
Cynthia: Using summary would generate a validation warning
<dsinger_> The Quebec spec should be version-specific. In html4do x ..
JS: My concern is moving only to an automatically test, we still need human check
<dsinger_> A new version of HTML should provoke new thought
Cynthia: Now people would check the DETAILS element, rather than summary attribute
JS: I could live with that
Cynthia: This is better than what is in the spec
SF: Where is details
Cynthia: Details is a child of table, details does have a summary that we would want to change
... The specs says it would say details, but it could be a hidden attribute, that could be conditionally
displayed
<richardschwerdtfe> dropping off
Cynthia: there are several name changes that will need to be made here, especially summary, and
something with the functionality of hidden
JS: Any other questions?
Cynthia: Thats less push back, JF can you live with that?
JF: Yeah
JS: You were going to give us a time line for the change proposal
Cynthia: Tuesday morning next week
JS: Very excellent!
... Last call for questions or comments
... We expect to look at this week then
Cynthia: Thanks to wendy and josh
JS: We have paid some attention to accepted and rejected bugs
<janina>
http://www.w3.org/mid/1c8dbcaa1002091619x1cc5e601tfed840aa0535d978@mail.gmail.com
JS: Lets spend the remaining time on resolved and open bugs
Bug 8649: "Resize IFrame" reported by Gez Lemon.
JS: HTML does not prevent you form resizing anything, any comments?
MC: Mark as not changing the resolution
... We are basically accepting the resolution
Bug 8680: "Meaningful label in menu example" reported by Gez Lemon.
JS: The label attribute is the only one that renders, the others are used in legacy UA
JC: Accept resolution
Bug 8681: "Separator menu items" reported by Gez Lemon.
JS: There is no spec change requested, does anyone think we need a proposal?
... I am not sure how did the initial pass
Cynthia: Let me take a look at
JS: I am leary about this bug since we don't have a spec change request at this time
Cynthia: This should be a more info
MC: We need to decide whether to reopen the bug
Cynthia: We need to get more infor before we calose
MC: They will just get closed again if the information is not there
Cynthia: Can we use tracker?
Paul: Just respond on the bug and say it is under consideration
MC: SHould I add the task force marker
... Add the taks force key word that we intend to provide more information
Cynthia: ANything with out a spec change should move to a more info
JS: We want a smooth process between our sub group and the parent group
Cynthia: If someone doesn't propose a fix, it it doesn't mean there isn't a problem
JS: We need a way to cover all the possible accessibility issues that we find
Paul: It is not unusually for people to give suggestions on fixes
JS: How should we move forward
Paul: I would look ahead to see if there are other bugs like this, and maybe do a prememtive strike
... use this one as an example, we prefer that you move things to the more info state, rather than
rejecting
JS: I'll tak that as a good suggestion
MC: These are marked as accessibility bugs, but not task force bugs, I did't think i had authority to
do this
<Stevef> me/ MikeSmith: hey MikeSmith I am getting close to wanting the alt text doc to be up on
the w3c, but i need help to do that, initially at least, can we have a chat about it soemtime soon?
MC: Some of these we may not want to take them all on
JS: Anything labelled labelled as a11y will be looked at by this group
MC: In theory we have already done that on most of them
<JF> +1 to JS
JS: Unless thare are objections we can move forward with that
MC: I will mark 8681 as a tak force bug
JS: Thank you everyone for your assistance and participation
... Media call?
JF: I posted it to IRC
JS: Please sned to the list
Summary of Action Items
Jon Gunderson, Ph.D.
Coordinator Information Technology Accessibility
Disability Resources and Educational Services
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