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Re: Getting things to happen Re: is this group alive?

From: Joshua Cranmer <Pidgeot18@verizon.net>
Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2016 23:16:54 -0500
To: public-htmail@w3.org
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On 7/6/2016 5:01 PM, Chaals McCathie Nevile wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jul 2016 21:31:34 +0200, Paul Tykodi <ptykodi@tykodi.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> A couple of years ago, there was a proposal that suggested developing 
>> an HTML standard for email that would force the use of no-quirks mode 
>> might be helpful.
>>
>> It was recently moved to a new location.
>>
>> I’m not sure whether it might get more visibility in its new home or 
>> not.
>>
>> https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/253
>>
>> https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/255
>>
>> I don’t know whether people reading this list will find anything 
>> useful in the proposal or not.
>
> As one of the chairs of Web Platform, the group dealing with HTML, I 
> find it useful to be reminded that this is interesting to people.
>
> To move that forward, it would help to identify what different 
> platforms do now. Some of the people on this list run mail platforms - 
> I'll try to rouse them. I suspect the hard part will be convincing 
> people who make "standalone" mail clients - as opposed to webmail apps 
> - to change.
>
> And as a standalone app I personally use Opera Mail, which is sadly 
> unmaintained for several years now and not going to change.
>
> On the other hand, it seems worth drawing attention to the issue for 
> people who do maintain clients, and there are plenty of those about too.

In practice, one of the biggest stumbling blocks for compatibility is 
Outlook; nowadays, the major webmail vendors are equally important. I'm 
not sure if any representatives of those are on this list. My 
recollection when I first saw the group announced was that the majority 
of the people who expressed interest were not representative of 
implementors of clients. Looking at the list of introductions on this 
list in my archive folder, we have Dave Crocker, myself (I work on 
Thunderbird), and a Fastmail developer as the list of people who have 
introduced themselves as people who have actually implemented email 
clients. I particularly don't see anyone from Outlook or Gmail here, nor 
any major mobile clients.

-- 
Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it. -- Donald E. Knuth
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