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RE: is this group alive?

From: Paul Tykodi <ptykodi@tykodi.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 15:31:34 -0400
To: "'Elliot Ross'" <elliot.ross@actionrocket.co>
Cc: "'Hall, Charles \(DET-MRM\)'" <Charles.Hall@mrm-mccann.com>, "'Chaals McCathie Nevile'" <chaals@yandex-team.ru>, <public-htmail@w3.org>, "'Rémi (HTeuMeuLeu) '" <remi@hteumeuleu.fr>
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Count me in as well.


A couple of years ago, there was a proposal that suggested developing an HTML standard for email that would force the use of no-quirks mode might be helpful.

It was recently moved to a new location. 


I’m not sure whether it might get more visibility in its new home or not.



I don’t know whether people reading this list will find anything useful in the proposal or not.


Also CSS support in some of the most frequently used HTML email clients is summarized here:



Suggestions for accessibility testing for HTML email is mentioned in this article:



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From: Elliot Ross [mailto:elliot.ross@actionrocket.co] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 3:14 PM
To: Rémi (HTeuMeuLeu) <remi@hteumeuleu.fr>
Cc: Hall, Charles (DET-MRM) <Charles.Hall@mrm-mccann.com>; Chaals McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru>; public-htmail@w3.org
Subject: Re: is this group alive?


I'm in, let's do this.


not to be all pluggy, but I wrote my initial thoughts on this here 



Elliot Ross 

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On 6 Jul 2016, at 19:57, Rémi (HTeuMeuLeu) <remi@hteumeuleu.fr <mailto:remi@hteumeuleu.fr> > wrote:

I'm in as well. I've learnt a lot about webmail security these past two years. And I'd love to start chatting with webmail makers and email client makers to understand some of the restrictions they have. 


For example, I've just tested this email (http://emails.hteumeuleu.fr/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/the-fab-four.html) on Yandex.Mail (https://mail.yandex.com). It looks like Yandex.Mail completely removes the content of an inline "style" attribute whenever there is a substraction in a calc() function. For example, `min-width:calc(25%);` is supported. But `width:calc(230400px - 48000%);` will make the whole inline styles get filtered. Is this a bug or a feature ? What's the reasoning behind this from Yandex point of view ?


More and more I'm thinking that a specification explaining what webmails implementors should be careful about in CSS, what attributes should they prefix in HTML, etc. could be very useful. Do you agree with that ?

-- Rémi



2016-07-06 15:02 GMT+02:00 Hall, Charles (DET-MRM) <Charles.Hall@mrm-mccann.com <mailto:Charles.Hall@mrm-mccann.com> >:

I second that.
I would enthusiastically join any effort for email standards.

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On 7/6/16, 6:32 AM, "Chaals McCathie Nevile" <chaals@yandex-team.ru <mailto:chaals@yandex-team.ru> > wrote:

>On Tue, 05 Jul 2016 20:10:00 +0200, Daniel Black <dyspop@gmail.com <mailto:dyspop@gmail.com> > wrote:
>> Wish I'd seen it earlier. Is it kicking?
>To be honest, not currently, although if people want to kick it into life
>I will certainly be pleased.
>Have a look at the sort of things we tried to do, and feel free to prodŠ
>Charles McCathie Nevile - web standards - CTO Office, Yandex
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