W3C

GRDDL WG

25 Apr 2007

See also: IRC log

Attendees

Present
john-l, FabienG, HarryH, rreck, Chimezie_Ogbuji, Simone, DanC, jjc
Regrets
Ian Davis (but concur with the group on CR and LC decision as stated in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/0202.html)
Chair
HarryH
Scribe
Fabien

Contents


APPROVED: DanC to revise "transformation" rule to be clear about spaces, multiple values [DONE] in v1.252

APPROVED: GRDDL WG-- 18 Apr 2007 as a true record

Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2007-04-25T11:00-0400

APPROVED: to meet again Wed, 2 May 11:00-0500. RReck will scribe

GRDDL Spec: Which XHTML documents?

ACTION: DanC to revise "transformation" rule to be clear about spaces, multiple values [DONE] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]

see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/0129.html and http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/html-and-grddl-xform-attr

Chime: I can suggest text.

jjc: I suggested text but not for the green boxes

DanC: anything about media-types ?

Chime: no.

DanC: test case for plain text document don't have GRDDL result ?

PROPOSED: that the premise of the rel="transform" depend only on (a) XML-wf-ness (b) root element name "html", (c) root element namespace http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml

jjc: mime-types ?

DanC: "has an XML representation" which excludes text/plain

RESOLVED: that the premise of the rel="transform" rule depend only on (a) XML-wf-ness (b) root element name "html", (c) root element namespace http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml

GRDDL Spec: #issue-mt-ns

Harry: happy with Dan's edit?... yes Everyone seems happy with DanC's edits.

GRDDL Spec: #issue-base-uri

jjc: only informative text to remind the implementors

DanC: the HTML base case was not approved yet

ACTION: DanC to yes, cite htmlbase1 to clarify "base IRI of E" in the case of XHTML [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]

CR request for GRDDL Spec

Harry http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/crrequest.html

Harry http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/lc-spec

Harry Harry: Samsung leaved the working group

jjc http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/0119 has suggested text on html base

DanC: remove the pointer to the comment archive and use the table provided by jjc

jjc: current text has a normative dependency on the test that may prevent us to go to CR

Harry: there is the article from IBM site about GRDDL as an evidence http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/web/library/wa-hmach1/index.html?ca=drs- A meaningful Web for humans and machines, Part 1: How humans can share the wealth of the Web

DanC: RDFa and GRDDL compatibility is in the critical path.

SWD comments: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0015.html

ACTION: DanC to s/metdata/metadata/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]

ACTION: DanC to cite "XFN" informatively [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]

ACTION: DanC to demote test citation to informative [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]

jjc: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0003 not fully addressed

ACTION: DanC to address editorial comments by Beckett in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0003 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]

jjc: jjc: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0003 S2 is done, other S need editorial changes

jjc http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/0190

<jjc> addressing dave beckett's comments

DanC: poll "confident done du deligence with comments"

... Unanimous yes with the above comment integrated.

jjc: we have enough tests we need more implementation reports.

ACTION: DanC to add test cases to spec abstract [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07]

jjc: should we talk about security or should we leave it out of the critical path?

HarryH Deployed in popular forums

DanC Harry and jjc will be in charge of the CR request from now on.

"@@FILL IN URI OF LATEST GRDDL REVISION" http://www.w3.org/2004/01/rdxh/spec 1.254 + 6 actions above + SOTD + missing "a" + whatever we figure for the STYPI

PROPOSED: that we move GRDDL Specication (2007/04/24 05:22:45 + changes @@FILL above OK'd by JJC) to CR, using CR request text as drafted by HH and edits agreed by JJC

Chime: Chime: I second

RESOLUTION: that we move GRDDL Specication (2007/04/24 05:22:45 + changes @@FILL above OK'd by JJC) to CR, using CR request text as drafted by HH and edits agreed by JJC

no objection, no abstention

ACTION: JJC to see that the CR request gets to The Director, copy chairs, as per http://www.w3.org/2005/08/transition?docstatus=cr-tr [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08]

GRDDL Spec: #issue-base-uri

jjc http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#htmlbase1

... I am trying to show that the correct answer depends on both the base URI and the current URI.

<a rel='transformation' href="whichdir.xsl">

<base href="http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/xhtmlWithBaseElement"/>

see http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/whichdir.xsl and http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/base/xhtmlWithBaseElement

> <rdf:Description rdf:about="">

<rdfs:comment>Transformed by stylesheet from /2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/</rdfs:comment>

</rdf:Description>

rdf:about="" is resolved with the retieval URI

... so the triple is

http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/base/xhtmlWithBaseElement rdfs:comment "Transformed by stylesheet from /2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/"

chimezie I will be abstaining from htmlbase* proposal votes as long as they are approved as informative ; really issue is with an html:base and an xml:base

DanC: DanC: don't want a WG decision if Chime is abstaining.

john-l: Does GRDDL.py pass this particular test?

chimezie: nope

jjc: xinclude has xml:base inside html xml:base inside html

RESOLVED: to approve http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#htmlbase1

Test Cases for Rejection

ACTION: Chime to remove http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#primer-hotel-data and http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#httpHeaders [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09]

Test Cases for Approval

chimezie GRDDLpy-earl-2007-04-25.rdf

DanCok, I win, sorta: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/test_results 1.11

... proposals will please enumerate tests in alphabetical order

APPROVED: to extend the meeting to finish the work on test cases to go to LC.

chimezie With base URI of (http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests):

... batch #1 : #hcard1,#loop,#langconneg1,#langconneg2,#langconneg3,#xhtmlWithGrddlEnabledProfile,#xhtmlWithGrddlEnabledProfileAndADisabledInBodyTransform,#xhtmlWithGrddlEnabledProfileAndInBodyTransform,#xhtmlWithMoreThanOneGrddlTransformation

jjc Chime please run tests in http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/pendinglist

RESOLUTION: to approve all of #hcard1,#loop,#langconneg1,#langconneg2,#langconneg3,#xhtmlWithGrddlEnabledProfile,#xhtmlWithGrddlEnabledProfileAndADisabledInBodyTransform,#xhtmlWithGrddlEnabledProfileAndInBodyTransform,#xhtmlWithMoreThanOneGrddlTransformation

chimezie ... batch #2: #card5n,#card5na,#embedded-rdf1,#embedded-rdf2,#embedded-rdf3,#glean-profile,#grddlonrdf,#hcard,#hcarda,#html-and-transformation-attr,#multipleRepresentations,#multipleRepresentations2,#multipleRepresentations3,#spaces-in-rel

RESOLUTION: to approve #card5n,#card5na,#embedded-rdf1,#embedded-rdf2,#embedded-rdf3,#glean-profile,#grddlonrdf,#hcard,#hcarda,#html-and-transformation-attr,#multipleRepresentations,#multipleRepresentations2,#multipleRepresentations3,#spaces-in-rel

chimezie... batch #3: #embedded-rdf10,#embedded-rdf4,#embedded-rdf5,#embedded-rdf6,#embedded-rdf8,#embedded-rdf9

PROPOSED: #embedded-rdf10,#embedded-rdf5,#embedded-rdf6,#embedded-rdf8,#embedded-rdf9

RESOLUTION: #embedded-rdf10,#embedded-rdf5,#embedded-rdf6,#embedded-rdf8,#embedded-rdf9

ACTION: jjc remove XSLT 2.0 / XSLT 1.0 fallback from embeddedRDF.xsl [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10]

Discussion to approve #embedded-rdf4 with the output changed to have absolute URIs, for clarity

jjc ntriples is
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/> <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#value> "one" .

PROPOSED: to approve #embedded-rdf4 as is.

RESOLUTION: to approve #embedded-rdf4 as is.

chimezie... batch #3: #embedded-rdf7,#embedded-rdf7-alt

jjc I suggest removing #embedded-rdf7-alt, combined with action to take xslt2 out of lib above

... the XSLT1 base handling stuff punts (xsl:message terminate="yes") in some cases.

ACTION: chime to remove #embedded-rdf7,#embedded-rdf7-alt [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action11]

chimezie... batch #4: #grddlProfileBase1,#grddlProfileBase2,#grddlProfileBase3,#htmlbase1,#htmlbase2,#htmlbase3,#htmlbase4

RESOLUTION: to approve #grddlProfileBase1,#grddlProfileBase2,#grddlProfileBase3,#htmlbase1,#htmlbase2,#htmlbase3,#htmlbase4

<chimezie> #xmlbase1
output doc: http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/xmlWithBase-output

PROPOSED: to take test cases to last call, approving all tests that jjc+chime+john agree on, using editor's draft http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests 2007/04/25 14:20:41 + edits as agreed by chime and john

HarryH I give my "yes"

jjc critical corrections from msg 0184 and as suggested in this meeting: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/0184.html

RESOLUTION: to take test cases to last call, approving all tests that jjc+chime+john agree on, using editor's draft http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests 2007/04/25 14:20:41 + edits as agreed by chime and john

<chimezie> for the records: the issues (with current versions of those testgs): http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2007Apr/0195.html

<HarryH> (those revisions having to deal with the tidy use-case in Use-Case Scenario document, and possibly wrapping an example of that into the Primer)

jjc jjc john chime agree to attempt to approve xmlbase 1-4 by e-mail, and possibly drop the other tests

Summary of Action Items

[NEW] ACTION: chime to remove #embedded-rdf7,#embedded-rdf7-alt [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action11]
[NEW] ACTION: Chime to remove http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#primer-hotel-data and http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/grddl-wg/td/grddl-tests#httpHeaders [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: DanC to add test cases to spec abstract [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: DanC to address editorial comments by Beckett in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-comments/2007AprJun/0003 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: DanC to cite "XFN" informatively [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04]
[NEW] ACTION: DanC to demote test citation to informative [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05]
[NEW] ACTION: DanC to s/metdata/metadata/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: DanC to yes, cite htmlbase1 to clarify "base IRI of E" in the case of XHTML [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: jjc remove XSLT 2.0 / XSLT 1.0 fallback from embeddedRDF.xsl [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10]
[NEW] ACTION: JJC to see that the CR request gets to The Director, copy chairs, as per http://www.w3.org/2005/08/transition?docstatus=cr-tr [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08]
 
[DONE] ACTION: DanC to revise "transformation" rule to be clear about spaces, multiple values [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/04/25-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01]