- From: Harry Halpin <hhalpin@ibiblio.org>
- Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 18:43:20 +0100
- To: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
- Cc: public-grddl-wg@w3.org
Everyone, It appears that 11:00 am now works for Rachel, so we're having our next meeting at *the same time* as we did this week: 11:00ET/15:00 Z. So send me any items or requests for the agenda. I myself would like to do a quick review of the latest draft of use case document (which I imagine will be quite solid and well-worked out by then), but proceed focus primarily on figuring out which use case (or possibly cases) we want to choose for the tutorial/primer. Finally, then we should go over the other two use cases mentioned in our charter, the RDFa/Embedded RDF use cases and the XML Schema use-case. I've also noticed that none of our use cases use plain old vanilla XML -> RDF. Perhaps we should have one that does this. Dan Connolly wrote: > Thanks for getting these out right away... > > On Wed, 2006-08-16 at 14:05 -0400, Chimezie Ogbuji wrote: > >> Note any fixes, replying to this message (be sure to CC public-grddl-wg@w3.org >> >> The HTML is attached, plain text is below: >> > > Odd; the attachment is labelled text/plain. Here's a copy labelled > text/html so that we can browse it in the archive and such. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > W3C <http://www.w3.org/> > > > - DRAFT - > > > GRDDL Working Group Meeting Aug 16 2006 > > > 16 Aug 2006 > > Agenda > <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-grddl-wg/2006Aug/0032.html> > > See also: IRC log <http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-irc> > > > Attendees > > Present > DanC, FabienGandon, bwm, chimezie, HarryH, +1.314.480.aacc, > Brians, [IPcaller] > Regrets > Rachael, BenA, Ian > Chair > HarryH > Scribe > Chime > > > Contents > > * Topics <#agenda> > 1. Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-08-16T15:00Z <#item01> > 2. Finding Best Time for Re-occuring Meetings <#item02> > 3. Use Cases, scenario gallery <#item03> > * Summary of Action Items <#ActionSummary> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Convene GRDDL WG meeting of 2006-08-16T15:00Z > > <DanC> Regrets BenA > > <DanC> GRDDL Working Group 2006-08-09 minutes > <http://www.w3.org/2006/08/09-grddl-wg-minutes> > > <HarryH> Approve meeting minutes? > > *RESOLUTION: Prior meeting minutes approved* > > > Finding Best Time for Re-occuring Meetings > > <DanC> considering 1600Z, noon ET > > HarryH: Would noon work for people? > > <DanC> PROPOSED: to meet again Wed, 23 Aug at 12pET unless WG members > object by email, in which case we'll use 11am ET > > *RESOLUTION: to meet again Wed, 23 Aug at 12pET unless WG members > object by email, in which case we'll use 11am ET* > > > Use Cases, scenario gallery > > HarryH: Too many usecases > > <FabienGandon> here: > http://www-sop.inria.fr/acacia/personnel/Fabien.Gandon/tmp/grddl/scenario-gallery.htm > > chimezie: Is it always the case to not have specifics in a usecase > > HarryH: Flesh out a bit more (4-5, perhaps) > > DanC: No audience for GRDDL usecase document > > DanC: break out usecase documents into specific audience > > FabienGandon: should be more formal in approach and flesh out usecases > some more. > > <DanC> titles might be "getting data from HTML documents with GRDDL" > and "Interoperable data with XML Schema with GRDDL" > > HarryH: is nervous about breaking it out > > <FabienGandon> Another example: OWL Web Ontology Language Use Cases > and Requirements http://www.w3.org/TR/webont-req/ > > <HarryH> believes Fabien has written the microformat use case document > and is quite happy with it but wants 4-5 as opposed to 8-9 use cases. > > DanC: specific usecase generates creative commons metadata from OAI > > OAI? > > <DanC> http://www.openarchives.org/ > > <scribe> *ACTION:* Address XML schema GRDDL usecase (interested > parties) [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01] > > chimezie: I think fewer usecases cover enough ground to make the > general point > > HarryH: consolidate microformat usecases > > DanC: don't be too overzealous with consolidating usecases - focus on > common scenarios > > <DanC> well, I'm happy to consolidate; but I want to consolidate based > on audience and area of applicaiton, not based on technical mechanism > > <DanC> (I'm curious what Fabien uses to come up with such nice > diagrams so quickly) > > FabienGandon: Target RDF vocabulary for Wikis could accomodate 1) > general wiki structure 2) domain keywords > > FabienGandon: Better tagging of concepts. Dynamic reorganization by > modifying underlying ontology associated with tagging semantics > > <danja> (facetted browsing?) > > <DanC> (hmm... I thought I grokked the wiki scenario, but with what > chime said, I'm confused again.) > > chimezie: Using RDF to drive organization of content is sort of an > inverse of GRDDL extraction of RDF vocabulary from content > > <HarryH> Thinks that we need to make the use cases simple and "for the > people" as well as easy to implement. > > <FabienGandon> A longer version of the scenario on Wikis: > ftp://ftp-sop.inria.fr/acacia/fgandon/research/semwiki2006/BuffaGandon_SemWiki2006.pdf > > <HarryH> Is very excited about the cutting-edge use cases but perhaps > worried those may be over the head of some of our readers. > > <DanC> (I think I'm starting to get the XForms case, but it sounds > pretty involved) > > <danja> (ref. for use case #3 - > http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/blogs/gems/tech/rsd.html ) > > DanC: main motivation for whittling down usecases is to be able to > elaborate on the ones we keep > > HarryH: Focus on advocacy as criteria for yes/no on usecases > > <scribe> *ACTION:* DanC as additional participant for usecase #1 > [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02] > > <scribe> *ACTION:* chimezie to help Fabien with usecase #2 [recorded > in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03] > > <DanC> I'm interested to mix #1, scheduling, with > http://esw.w3.org/topic/SparqlCalendarDemo > > <scribe> *ACTION:* Fabien and danja interested in helping with XForms > usecase [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action04] > > DanC: Hotel reviews instead of guitar review? More bootstrapping data > > <HarryH> definitely drop use case 7 - w3c index > > <scribe> *ACTION:* Consolidate Wiki usecase, querying usecase and > e-learning usecase [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05] > > <briansuda> moodle & k-12 > > <DanC> *ACTION:* DanC to relate some e-learning pointers, e.g. > http://moodle.org/ [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06] > > <scribe> *ACTION:* Drop usecase 7 (Digital libraries and focused > indices) [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07] > > FabienGandon: concerned about dropping usecase 7 - existing mechanism > that can be improved > > <danja> (count me in as a fallback sponsor for > wiki/catalogue/e-learning merger) > > FabienGandon: usecase titles shouldn't be too generic > > <scribe> *ACTION:* Drop validation / testing usecase [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08] > > <danja> (what he said - merge Atom/OWL into XForms) > > <scribe> *ACTION:* danja & chimezie work on merging Atom/OWL usecase > into XForms usecase [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09] > > <danja> live bookmarks - probably need to check with Elias ?( or was > it Lee?) on possible scenarios > > <danja> I suggest tabling for now > > <danja> [4] & [9] look the same..? > > <danja> I missed discussion - isn't there mergeability with [1] and [6] > > <DanC> Fabien: I'm out next week. > > <DanC> *ACTION:* DanC to get CVS/ssh access for Fabien [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action10] > > <danja> I will, if no-one else jumps forward > > <DanC> (I also like mercurial/hg for decentralized version control, > though I haven't deployed that in w3.org ) > > > Summary of Action Items > > *[NEW]* *ACTION:* Harry carry XML schema GRDDL usecase to later > meetings [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action01] > *[NEW]* *ACTION:* DanC as additional participant for usecase #1, > scheduling [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action02] > *[NEW]* *ACTION:* chimezie to help Fabien with usecase #2 (Wiki > usecase) [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action03] > *[NEW]* *ACTION:* danja, fabien to consolidate wiki usecase, queury > usecase, and e-learning usecase [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action05] > *[NEW]* *ACTION:* DanC to relate some e-learning pointers, e.g. > http://moodle.org/ [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action06] > *[NEW]* *ACTION:* DanC and Fabien to elaborate W3C /TR/ case [recorded > in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action07] > *[NEW]* *ACTION:* Fabien to drop validation / testing usecase > [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action08] > *[NEW]* *ACTION:* danja & chimezie work on merging Atom/OWL usecase > into XForms usecase [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2006/08/16-grddl-wg-minutes.html#action09] > > [End of minutes] > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- -harry Harry Halpin, University of Edinburgh http://www.ibiblio.org/hhalpin 6B522426
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