Re: [css-transforms][svg11] Effect of perspective and 3D transform on SVG bounding box

On Oct 15, 2013, at 12:26 AM, Robert O'Callahan <robert@ocallahan.org> wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 4:58 PM, Dirk Schulze <dschulze@adobe.com> wrote:
> SVG defines the bounding box of an object as follows [1]:
> 
> ""
> getBBox(): Returns the tight bounding box in current user space (i.e., after application of the ‘transform’attribute, if any) on the geometry of all contained graphics elements
> ""
> 
> The question is what is the effect of 3D transforms on the bounding box? I assume that there wouldn't be a big difference. It would still be the tight bounding box of the contained elements after transformations.
> 
> More interesting, what is with a perspective projection matrix? Would it affect the bounding box as well? After all, the perspective projection matrix is not very different from a CSS transform which can have perspective values as well. Therefore, I would assume that all the properties: transform, transform-origin, perspective and perspective-origin have an effect on the object bounding box.
> 
> Right, that seems logical to me too.

Great.

> 
> Unfortunately this creates a problem:
> 1) Evaluating the 'perspective-origin' of an SVG element requires knowing its SVG bounding box.

That is right.

> 2) Its SVG bounding box depends on the transformations of its children.

Right. And as discussed on the perspective projection matrix as well.

> 3) The transformations of its children depend on the 'perspective-origin' of the parent.

I do not understand how this would be the case? 'perspective-origin' is like two perspective projection matrices that surround the one specified by the 'perspective' property. Or to be clear: The perspective projection matrix is specified by the 'perspective' and 'perspective-origin' properties. This matrix gets multiplied with the transformation matrix that is specified by the 'transform' and 'transform-origin' properties.

You are right that 'transform', 'perspective' and 'perspective-origin' may depend on the objects bounding box (which depends on the transformation and oob of the children). I do not see a requirement of the children to know the 'perspective-origin' of the parent? Also, why would it then just be the 'perspective-origin' and not the 'perspective' as well? From the spec [1]:

""
It effectively sets the X and Y position at which the viewer appears to be looking at the children of the element.
""

Greetings,
Dirk

[1] http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css-transforms/#perspective-origin-property

> 
> Any suggestions for resolving this? I don't see any obvious solution :-(.
> 
> Rob
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