- From: Rik Cabanier <cabanier@gmail.com>
- Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:02:38 -0800
- To: public-fx@w3.org
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http://www.w3.org/2012/02/20-fx-minutes.html
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
CSS-SVG Task Force Teleconference
20 Feb 2012
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fx/2012JanMar/0100.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2012/02/20-fx-irc
Attendees
Present
Doug_Schepers, Tav, +1.408.881.aabb, hober, dino, ed,
cabanier, dirk, +1.408.636.aacc, smfr, shepazu, rik, tav
Regrets
Chair
SV_MEETING_CHAIR
Scribe
cabanier
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]linearRGB vs sRGB for filter effects
2. [6]SVG attributes to presentation attributes
* [7]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 20 February 2012
<krit> 1:04
<krit> ?
<krit> :)
<krit> I fear that my microphone is not working
<krit> I have to rely on IRC
<krit> The only open issue on Transforms for SVG is how to animate
CSS transform property with SMIL
<dino> people?
<krit> I try to call in from another phone...
<scribe> scribenick: cabanier
linearRGB vs sRGB for filter effects
<ed>
[8]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fx/2012JanMar/0078.htm
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[8] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-fx/2012JanMar/0078.html
cabanier: I wanted Chris to be here to have this discussion
... I understand why it's there, I don't think it's the default
ed: should we postpone?
cabanier: let's postpone
SVG attributes to presentation attributes
krit: did you get my email about how to animate CSS attributes with
SMIL
... ed, you said you needed feedback from the development team
<krit>
[9]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/fx/wiki/SVG_attribute_to_presentation_
attribute
[9]
http://www.w3.org/Graphics/fx/wiki/SVG_attribute_to_presentation_attribute
<krit>
[10]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/fx/wiki/SVG_attribute_to_presentation
_attribute#Issue_4:_Which_style_should_be_represented_by_SVG_DOMs_an
imVal
[10]
http://www.w3.org/Graphics/fx/wiki/SVG_attribute_to_presentation_attribute#Issue_4:_Which_style_should_be_represented_by_SVG_DOMs_animVal
<ed> ed: yes, sent offlist, but basically in agreement with the
proposal
krit: SMIL animation would be on top of the current CSS animations
ed: the computed style would reflect animval?
... what is your recommendation?
krit: 1. override style reflects current animations
... 2. Introduce a new style for SVG animations
... and the computed style would reflect this new style. could be
called SMIL style
cabanier: do you think the model are compatible?
krit: yes, I think so
cabanier: so they run independantly?
krit: yes
<ed>
[11]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/fx/wiki/SVG_attribute_to_presentation
_attribute#Current_presentation_attributes_in_the_CSS_cascading
[11]
http://www.w3.org/Graphics/fx/wiki/SVG_attribute_to_presentation_attribute#Current_presentation_attributes_in_the_CSS_cascading
<ed> ed: so is that image i just linked to correct now?
ed: do we want to wait for corrections to the proposal?
krit: the wiki is up to date
cabanier: do you know what the new style is?
krit: it's an abstract style that is implemented by the browser
ed: animVal becomes a shorthand for getcomputedstyle but with
typing. You skip the string serialization
... that is fine with me
resolution: issue #4 is accepted from wiki:
[12]http://www.w3.org/Graphics/fx/wiki/SVG_attribute_to_presentation
_attribute#Issue_4:_Which_style_should_be_represented_by_SVG_DOMs_an
imVal
[12]
http://www.w3.org/Graphics/fx/wiki/SVG_attribute_to_presentation_attribute#Issue_4:_Which_style_should_be_represented_by_SVG_DOMs_animVal
<ed> to be clear, the solution is to introduce a new style for SVG
animations, as described there
ed: are there other transform issues?
krit: we want to move to WD as soon as possible
... I believe it will be done this week
smfr: are we going to remove the DOM access methods?
<smfr> [13]http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-transforms/#dom-interfaces
[13] http://dev.w3.org/csswg/css3-transforms/#dom-interfaces
krit: yes
smfr: CSS matrix, CSS transform value
krit: and we'll have another discussion on FX, or SVG
... it doesn't affect CSS any more
ed: how so?
krit: that is because CSS matrix is removed
and we no longer have to describe how SVG and CSS interface
cabanier: and the new keywords are accepted by the CSS people? (such
as rotate(alpha, a, b)
krit: yes
... the discussion on that has stopped
smfr: and transform-origin is defined for SVG?
krit: yes, for SVG it will be (0, 0)
smfr: the rotate with two parameters gives the author more to think
about
... these 2 optional arguments may make it less clear about what is
happening
... the rules are already complex
smft: and no browsers currently implement it yet
krit: these are just 2 arguments to align the CSS and SVG models
... for current authors, it might be new
... but it's needed for backward compatibility with SVG parsing
rules?
ed: when is the WD ready?
krit: depends on the CSS WG
ed: yes, I pinged them when they can make their resolution
... let's skip the next topics since we need input from Microsoft
and they are not here
shepazu: about the transform spec, there were 12 topics called out,
are we going to resolve it?
<smfr>
[14]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=CSS&component
=Transforms&resolution=---
[14]
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?product=CSS&component=Transforms&resolution=---
krit: the WG draft spec doesn't say that all issues have to be
resolved
shepazu: yes, but we better get start on this
... I've been talking to authors and they want different origins
with a set of transforms
krit: I don't think we want to support that for CSS3 transforms
shepazu: that means it won't be there for 2-3 years at least
krit: correct
shepazu: what about tests? Aryeh has some test I believe
krit: Adobe is working on SVG inside of webkit and we're working on
some tests
Tav: but you need 2 working implementations for the tests
ed: do you have the test working in a web template or using the CSS
WG testing harnass?
krit: no, they are just WebKit test but we can move them to W3C
tests
ed: the csswg testsuite guidelines say that they don't accept SVG
test. You need a HMTL wrapper
... the tools don't support straight SVG
krit: inline SVG should be possible
shepazu: we should have both: inline and straight SVG
... do we need 2 passing tests for HTML but do we need 2 passing
test for SVG as well?
smfr: we talked about different conformance classes in the spec. Not
sure what the status is.
shepazu: what is the status of the 2d/3d spec?
smfr: I agree with tantek
... the major interop issues should be resolved
... agree that we should move to last call
shepazu: not sure what LC accomplishes if we still have open issues
smfr: tantek believes that they want to drop prefixes as soon as
possible
shepazu: but we don't have conforming implementations right?
... what does dropping prefixes have to do with LC?
smfr: well, the sooner you do LC the faster you can go the CR
shepazu: isn't it more reasonable to agree on when to drop prefixes
than to rush the spec?
ed: I agree
shepazu: if there is a full test suite that tests each feature and
everyone passes is, at that point you can drop prefixes
... his goal is putting the horse behind the cart.
smft: this was discussed at length. It's been covered already
<dino> read the thousands of emails
smfr: I believe tantek's proposal was similar to yours
shepazu: I will read up on the process and take it to the list
<smfr>
[15]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Feb/0528.html
[15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2012Feb/0528.html
shepazu: I want to move this forward faster
... we've been talking about this at w3c and we want to move forward
on this spec asap too
... let us know if you need help
yes
Summary of Action Items
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