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Re: Some practical issues integrating the SVG transform attribute with CSS transform properties

From: Robert O'Callahan <robert@ocallahan.org>
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 08:07:49 +1300
Message-ID: <AANLkTinM9Ewrc+vCnKq2KD8X0cp7bYnyqYiSqoUA8iV2@mail.gmail.com>
To: Erik Dahlstrom <ed@opera.com>
Cc: public-fx@w3.org, Jonathan Watt <jwatt@jwatt.org>, Cameron McCormack <cam@mcc.id.au>
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Erik Dahlstrom <ed@opera.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Mar 2011 06:01:10 +0100, Robert O'Callahan <
> robert@ocallahan.org> wrote:
>  I assume we want to make the SVG 'transform' attribute a presentational
>> attribute that maps onto the CSS 'transform' property. A few issues have
>> come up, and many of them will apply to other attributes that we map up to
>> CSS, so they're worth discussing.
> ...
>  3) What should SVG 'animVal' reflect? Here are a few options:
> Just note that no other presentation attributes have a corresponding
> animVal construct, we get this because of the change from attribute ->
> property.


>  3a) 'animVal' returns the animated attribute value as set by SMIL if there
>> is one, otherwise the baseVal. It does not reflect any CSS styling,
>> including any CSS transitions or animations, nor does it reflect any CSS
>> values animated by SMIL.
> That sounds consistent and backwards-compat-friendly.

>  3b) 'animVal' returns the animated CSS value as set by SMIL if there is
>> one,
>> otherwise the animated attribute value as set by SMIL, otherwise the
>> baseVal. It does not reflect any other CSS styling, including any CSS
>> transitions or animations
> Not as compatible, but possibly handy for getting typed DOM access to the
> transform. It's actually not described anywhere how to get the CSSMatrix
> object, note that elm.style.transform is just a DOMString. Also would need
> to define how to represent the CSS value as a corresponding SVGTransformList
> object, like how to deal with CSS units in translate() and rotate(), and the
> new methods translateX/Y and scaleX/Y.

We could use TYPE_UNKNOWN for CSS transforms that can't be represented in
SVG, until SVG is extended to represent them.

>  3c) 'animVal' returns the CSS computed value, including CSS transitions
>> and
>> animations, and the effects of any CSS rules overriding the style.
>> I suspect 3c is most intuitive for authors. However, there is a problem:
>> unlike attribute values, CSS computed style changes happen at
>> unpredictable
>> times, often asynchronously, and can be coalesced, and we don't want the
>> presence or absence of coalescing to be observable via the identity of
>> transform objects in the animVal list.
> Another option is to deprecate SVGAnimatedTransformList and point people to
> CSSOM, or whatever way there is in CSS to get the (animated or not)
> transform value as a higher level object (CSSMatrix or equivalent, not
> DOMString).

We could do that, but that API doesn't exist yet and we still have to
determine how .animVal behaves.

Is your preferred position 3a + push authors to CSSOM?

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