Steven Pemberton, CWI (chair)
Alain Couthures, AgenceXML
Nick van den Bleeken, Inventive Designers
Leigh Klotz, Xerox (minutes)
Leigh Klotz: I'm not attending
these at the moment. There hasn't been much need, in my opinion,
and circumstances have made it more difficult for me.
Steven Pemberton: HCG has twenty
members, but four or five turn up. Not much coordination is going
on.
Leigh Klotz: If the group feels the we
need to have a presence, I will attend, but I don't see the
need.
Steven Pemberton: OK.
Alain Couthures: Yes! I've
contacted Mohamed Zergaoui.
Nick van: Did he reply?
Alain Couthures: He's asking whether
we would need a room. For how many people? Externals?
Steven Pemberton: A half dozen, at
best.
Alain Couthures: What about
non-members in XForms community?
Steven Pemberton: It would be good to
do some outreach. It would be nice to see if we can get others to
join.
Alain Couthures: betterForm?
Steven Pemberton: Actually not a bad
idea for some outreach.
Alain Couthures: When?
Steven Pemberton: One side or another
of the conference. We can be flexible.
Alain Couthures: Will there be an
annoucement from organizers?
Nick van: The pre-conference day has
other meetings, on the February 9th.
Alain Couthures: Yes, on Friday, they
have received different requests already.
Alain Couthures: eXist-db will have
its own preconference on Friday.
Steven Pemberton: If we want to attend
other Friday events we should try Wednesday-Thursday.
Alain Couthures: No problem for rooms
with the university.
Steven Pemberton: So
Wednesday-Thursday for the meeting and Friday for the
community?
Nick van: Fine
Alain Couthures: OK
Steven Pemberton: Let's pencil that
in.
Steven Pemberton: Weds Thurs for
XForms, then we have the Friday for community meetings
Resolution 2011-11-9.1: We plan Febuary 9-10, 2012 (Wed-Thu) for XForms F2F prior to XML Prague, and then Febuary 10, 2012 (Fri) for community meeting.
Steven Pemberton: We should plan on the mailing list what to do for the community meeting.
Leigh Klotz: It would be good to
plan dates.
Steven Pemberton: We've booked
it.
Nick van: December 1-2, 2011.
Leigh Klotz: Marc van Neerven from
Seneca sent this to our list.
Steven Pemberton: I'll try to meet
with someone from Seneca.
Leigh Klotz: Steve Cameron
answered.
Alain Couthures: Yes I worked for him
with XSLTForms
Steven Pemberton: I converted the
most recent version of Mikko Honkala's XForms PI into Wiki spec
markup. It is for Alain to further work on. It still needs a little
cleanup.
Steven Pemberton: I did find some
discussion. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2004OctDec/0030
The XML CG didn't think XForms wasn't a styleesheet. XSLT is a
Turing-complete stylesheet as well, but it doesn't bother me that
much.
Leigh Klotz: Nobody has written an
XForms Sudokuo solver yet. http://andrewjwelch.com/code/xslt/sudoku/sudoku-solver.html
Steven Pemberton: I sketched one
out...perhaps I should finish it. You can do some with XForms
constraints, but the backtracking ones you can't do in XForms.
Leigh Klotz: Erik Bruchez has the
action to write up @iterate. John's concerns are I think a red
herring, as they cut across all actions whose context is deleted,
and aren't solely related to @iterate. Alain has now implemented it
in XSLTFOrms, and I'm writing a test case. But where do I put it?
The chapter numbers have changed.
Steven Pemberton: In the wiki?
Leigh Klotz: As long as we can extract
them.
Nick van: exf:iterateAttribute:
http://www.exforms.org/all.html#id4497768
Alain Couthures: We also need a zip
version of the test suite
Steven Pemberton: Can the wiki code
extract the test cases?
Nick van: It's a python script.
Leigh Klotz: Where is it?
Nick van: I will search for it. But
it's nice to write tests in an XML editor.
Leigh Klotz: OK, I'll just mail the
test in for now.
Steven Pemberton: As we have no team
contact, it's hard to store in some parts of the space.
Leigh Klotz: We need to use something
where we can all update it easily, for example when changing
@nodeset to @ref.
Leigh Klotz: I don't see any Python
files in MarkUp/Forms.
Nick van: It's in
Markup/Forms/specs/WikiTools
Leigh Klotz: I don't see wikitools
there and I just updated.
Nick van: I see it in the browser.
http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/WikiTools/Revdoc/biblio.py
Steven Pemberton: I've asked for more
access for this tree.
Nick van: For the test suite, we're
just going to add the new tests for now and copy in the latest
XForms 1.1 test suite?
Leigh Klotz: I think we should handle
the deprecations and changes, for example to eliminate the tests
for @nodeset and change to @ref.
Steven Pemberton: And I have an action
to re-number them.
Steven Pemberton: And Leigh, you're
writing up the tests.
Leigh Klotz: And Erik is doing the
spec.
Nick van: The exforms test has delete
with @iterate.
Leigh Klotz: Orbeon has a
special-purpose control for this; is it just appearance or are
there semantics not properly captured by our form controls.
Steven Pemberton: So we do need
Erik.