- From: Nick Van den Bleeken <Nick_Van_den_Bleeken@inventivegroup.com>
- Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 11:35:43 +0200
- To: Mark Birbeck <mark.birbeck@webbackplane.com>, John Boyer <boyerj@ca.ibm.com>
- CC: "public-forms@w3.org" <public-forms@w3.org>
Hi Mark, I'm a bit concerned with using the attribute appearance for something more as a rendering hint. Correct my if I'm wrong, but is appearance until now not just a hint to the user agent about how the control could be rendered. I.e. it doesn't drives the availability of a UI control, for your case a 'splashpage' it probably doesn't matter if the dialog isn't showed at all. In the case we were talking about on the phone, a modeless dialog that needs be shown at startup, it probably would matter if the dialog is shown or not, so ignoring the appearance attribute may make a form unusable. Here is a link to what we currently have http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Dialog Regards, Nick Van den Bleeken R&D Manager Phone: +32 3 821 01 70 Office Fax: +32 3 821 01 71 Nick_Van_den_Bleeken@inventivegroup.com http://www.inventivegroup.com > -----Original Message----- > From: public-forms-request@w3.org [mailto:public-forms-request@w3.org] > On Behalf Of Mark Birbeck > Sent: donderdag 30 juli 2009 10:48 > To: John Boyer > Cc: public-forms@w3.org > Subject: Re: [dialog element] need another name for "visible" attribute > > Hi John, > > Why not find a name for what this type of dialog-box would be, rather > than some kind of action. In other words, layer on even more semantic > sugar. :) > > For example, if a dialog was to show on form load, and clear on > 'xforms-ready', you'd probably call that a splash-page. So > @appearance="splashpage" would be a good way to describe it. > > I wasn't on the telecon, so I don't know what the use-case is for a > dialog that shows on 'xforms-ready', but I'd wager that the same > principle could be applied; is there an @appearance="..." that > adequately describes the desired behaviour? > > This is just a thought, but it strikes me that we're always adding > attributes to describe new things, when in fact we could be more > declarative, and capture a 'set' of behaviour in a single attribute > *value*. > > Regards, > > Mark > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:46 AM, John Boyer<boyerj@ca.ibm.com> wrote: > > > > Just want to quickly start a discussion thread to continue with the > dialog > > element, which we discussed on today's telecon. > > > > I understand that it is useful to indicate that a dialog should be > visible > > on form startup, in lieu of a show action that hooks xforms-ready. > > > > I also get that this is similar, if not analogous, to setting up a > switch > > using the selected attributes of cases. > > > > But the name "visible" for the attribute is not very good. There's > nothing > > in the attribute name to suggest it is interpreted on startup only. > Granted > > we do have the same problem with the selected attributes, but we're > actually > > planning to improve that in XForms 1.2, so past mistakes can't be > used to > > justify future ones. > > > > Any better ideas for a name? > > > > Thanks, > > John M. Boyer, Ph.D. > > STSM, Interactive Documents and Web 2.0 Applications > > Chair, W3C Forms Working Group > > Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software > > IBM Victoria Software Lab > > E-Mail: boyerj@ca.ibm.com > > > > Blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/JohnBoyer > > Blog RSS feed: > > http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/rss/JohnBoyer?flavor=rssdw > > > > > > > > -- > Mark Birbeck, webBackplane > > mark.birbeck@webBackplane.com > > http://webBackplane.com/mark-birbeck > > webBackplane is a trading name of Backplane Ltd. (company number > 05972288, registered office: 2nd Floor, 69/85 Tabernacle Street, > London, EC2A 4RR) > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > -- > Inventive Designers' Email Disclaimer: http://www.inventivedesigners.com/email-disclaimer -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --
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