- From: Klotz, Leigh <Leigh.Klotz@xerox.com>
- Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:05:06 -0800
- To: "John Boyer" <boyerj@ca.ibm.com>, "Forms WG (new)" <public-forms@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <E254B0A7E0268949ABFE5EA97B7D0CF403D76F66@USA7061MS01.na.xerox.net>
John, Your observation that the luhn function cannot check length and the Schema validity length limits are also under-constrained further supports my position that the primary value of the card type is not the machine-readable constraints, but that as a well-known type user agents are encouraged to provide custom UI (much as they do for boolean), and allow the user to enter hyphens or spaces as desired, but still fashion the resulting lexical space value properly. Leigh. ________________________________ From: public-forms-request@w3.org [mailto:public-forms-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of John Boyer Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 5:54 PM To: Forms WG (new) Subject: The definition of card-number datatype I was doing a pubrules and link check on the XForms 1.1 spec and noticed that we inadvertently failed to remove the bibliography citation of ISO 7812 in the section 5 description of the card-number datatype, despite having deleted the normative bibliography reference to ISO 7812. By way of reminder, the working group agreed to restate the definition of the card-number datatype and is-card-number() function without referencing ISO 7812 because you have to pay for that spec. So I had to remove the citation in section 5 and simply state the limitation of 12 to 19 digits that is specified by the schema definition. No problem so far. However, while looking into the issue, I noticed that the only normative reference we now make regarding the definitions of card-number and is-card-number() is the "Luhn Patent", which is now in the public domain. If you search for "Luhn Patent" with Google, you are immediately provided with a wikipedia entry describing the algorithm. However, the example used illustrates the Luhn calculation for a nine digit number. It turns out that Canadian social insurance number are 9 digits and are validated by the Luhn algorithm. It was OK to restrict ourselves to 12 to 19 digits when the definition was based on ISO 7812, but now that it is not and given that the Canadian SIN card number is a legitimate "card number" of length 9, it seems clear that the min length restriction should be relaxed. Of interest, the Luhn patent describes and illustrates a non-digital (mechanical) embodiment of the invention based on 7 digits, excluding the check digit. Moreover, I saw no explicit mention of a minimum number of digits, only an implicit statement of minimum length based on the claimed intent to detect digit transpositions that would otherwise go undetected in numbers consisting of a "plurality of digits". Hence a minimum length restriction of 3 seems reasonable, and any larger minimum seems unnecessarily restrictive. One might think at first that this change might be detrimental to the desire to use the card-number datatype for validation of credit card number entries. However, the restriction to 12 to 19 digits is already too loose. If one has a 16 digit card number but enters only 15 or perhaps 17 digits, then card-number reports validity, and the error must be trapped with is-card-number() anyway. The only valuable service provided by the card-number datatype is the restriction to digits. Any length restriction, min or max, is not very useful, and as we are seeing now, the restrictions are in fact detrimental. John M. Boyer, Ph.D. STSM: Lotus Forms Architect and Researcher Chair, W3C Forms Working Group Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software IBM Victoria Software Lab E-Mail: boyerj@ca.ibm.com Blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/JohnBoyer <http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/JohnBoyer>
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