- From: John Boyer <boyerj@ca.ibm.com>
- Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 11:19:21 -0700
- To: "Mark Birbeck" <mark.birbeck@formsPlayer.com>
- Cc: mark.birbeck@x-port.net, "new Forms WG" <public-forms@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <OF135B7046.7C4109D3-ON88257386.00633211-88257386.0064C3D7@ca.ibm.com>
Hi Mark, OK, that sounds great. Happily, we actually now have the "machinery" in the spec to say this kind of stuff efficiently. Here is the snippet of spec xml text resulting from your words of wisdom here: <item> <p diff="add">The default styling of all form controls, including <termref def="def-container-form-control">container form controls</termref>, should be <code>display:inline</code>, and the default styling of a <termref def="def-repeat-item">repeat item</termref> should be <code>display:block</code>.</p> </item> This has been placed in "Implementation Requirements Common to All Form Controls" ( http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/specs/XForms1.1/index-diff.html#ui-processing ) This version of the spec is being uploaded now... Thanks! John M. Boyer, Ph.D. STSM: Lotus Forms Architect and Researcher Chair, W3C Forms Working Group Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software IBM Victoria Software Lab E-Mail: boyerj@ca.ibm.com Blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/JohnBoyer "Mark Birbeck" <mark.birbeck@formsPlayer.com> Sent by: mark.birbeck@x-port.net 11/01/2007 10:55 AM To John Boyer/CanWest/IBM@IBMCA cc "new Forms WG" <public-forms@w3.org> Subject Re: Urgent: container form controls and display:block Hi John, But if you wanted rows in a table, you wouldn't need to make the xf:repeat itself a block, you would simply make the 'groups' used for each row into blocks. And even then, the easiest way to define that is to set the default style for ::repeat item, since the groups might not actually exist. (I.e., they are notional.) The one I'm more concerned about though, is xf:group, since a common use of xf:group is to do nothing more than provide an evaluation context for further controls. This means that 'out of the box' XForms should make the following two techniques indistinguishable: A: <xf:input ref="contact/firstname"> <xf:label>First name</xf:label> </xf:intput> <xf:input ref="contact/surname"> <xf:label>Surname</xf:label> </xf:intput> B: <xf:group ref="contact"> <xf:input ref="firstname"> <xf:label>First name</xf:label> </xf:intput> <xf:input ref="surname"> <xf:label>Surname</xf:label> </xf:intput> </xf:group> However, I think it would be confusing for people if the addition of a xf:group to a form simply to allow for shorter XPath expressions was to also change the layout. I don't think the same applies to xf:switch/xf:case, so I don't really mind which way they go (although as I said on the call yesterday, since none of them are 'block level' in the proper meaning of the term I think 'inline' is more appropriate). So to recap, how about we stick with 'inline' for the elements--or at least for xf:group--but we set the default style of ::repeat-item to be a block. I think your justification for this--that, as you say, the most common use-case for repeat will be 'rows'--is almost certainly correct. Regards, Mark -- Mark Birbeck, formsPlayer mark.birbeck@formsPlayer.com | +44 (0) 20 7689 9232 http://www.formsPlayer.com | http://internet-apps.blogspot.com standards. innovation. On 01/11/2007, John Boyer <boyerj@ca.ibm.com> wrote: > > Just trying to finish up the last few LC comments, and the one from Steven > about default styling of form controls is posing a bit of a problem for me. > > I am having a really hard time "living with" display:inline as the default > for container form controls because it seems to mean that everyone *must* > use styling to make a simple repeat behave as we all expect it to behave. > > Granted that there are cases where it can be beneficial to have a group, > switch or repeat styled as inline, but these controls, as containers are > generally big box-like things that you tend to want to put things above and > below far more often than next to. > > In particular, consider the reasonable default behavior of a repeat. Each > repeat object is a group. We tend to expect each repeat object to be a > "row" of the table, which means we vertically stack the repeat object > groups. Hence, these groups need to be display:block. > > It seems like the best default styling is display:inline for Core Form > Controls, and display:block for Container Form Controls. > > Is anyone not OK with that? > Steven, what do you think? > > John M. Boyer, Ph.D. > STSM: Lotus Forms Architect and Researcher > Chair, W3C Forms Working Group > Workplace, Portal and Collaboration Software > IBM Victoria Software Lab > E-Mail: boyerj@ca.ibm.com > > Blog: > http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/JohnBoyer > >
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