Re: An Introduction: SOCML

On 11 February 2013 23:38, Pelle Wessman <pelle@kodfabrik.se> wrote:

> 11 feb 2013 kl. 23:03 skrev Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>:
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> On 11 February 2013 19:27, Julian Steinwachs <
> julian.steinwachs@googlemail.com> wrote:
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>>  Hi,
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>> this protocol agnostic approach sounds very interesting. Because you said
>> you did not search the web thoroughly: There is a standard called
>> activitystreams ( http://http://activitystrea.ms/ ) that is designed to
>> describe social interactions (activities) in atom/xml or json. Beyond the
>> discovery and requesting stuff socml could be designed as an encryption
>> wrapper for activitystreams. Or to make it very short
>> socml=activitystreams+PGP ?
>>
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> I like AS, but my impression was that original poster asked for something
> that was patent free.  If AS one day put under the IETF or W3C that would
> work, but I dont see this happening in the short to medium term.
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> AS is released under the Open Web Foundation which should make it as
> patent free as anything put under IETF or W3C? See
> http://activitystrea.ms/licensing/ and http://www.openwebfoundation.org/
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I know AS is very popular with some folks on this list so I hope not to
offend.  It's a system I like, but I like to take a more holistic approach
and look at the bigger picture, which includes linked data, open graph
protocol, tent.io and some other promising projects.

IANAL, but it seems to me a grey area.  I have seen lawyers involved in the
AS mailing list, I have not to date seen that happen in social oriented
specs elsewhere.

Certainly there has been patent litigation between OWF members in recent
years, Yahoo vs Facebook springs to mind ... in any case, I'd advise
looking at all the options out there.  The legal aspect is just one of many.


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> We have existing standards that are mature, well adopted and approved by
> standards bodies, namely the linked data family of standards.  I would
> suggest this is a better match to the requirements listed.
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>>
>> Greetings
>> Julian
>>
>> Am 11.02.2013 02:03, schrieb Christopher A:
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>> Hello all,
>>
>>  First, I want to apologize if I have overstepped boundaries with
>> respect to editing the groups Wiki page. I also want to apologize if you
>> receive this message twice. For whatever reason, the Listserv was not
>> showing that it as having been sent.
>>
>>  I recently posted a proposal for a "Federated Social Network Data
>> Standard" on the groups Wiki. I admit, that I have not searched the
>> web thoroughly with respect to other initiatives like this; however, given
>> the superficial research I have done, I have come to the conclusion that
>> there are no open dialogs currently on this topic.
>>
>>  Over the next couple of days I will begin posting proposed
>> technical specifications for the standard. I would like for everyone to
>> contribute feedback and make suggestions/modifications.
>>
>>  The solution I am proposing is simple: we need to standardize social
>> media content such that independent developers can create their own
>> services that can share and aggregate data under a common standard. Much
>> like the RSS format, this data standard should be open and free, not
>> encumbered by patents, and be easy to implement while offering these
>> features:
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>>    - Complete end-to-end privacy control, with the use
>>    of asymmetric encryption.
>>    - A method for authenticating that people "are who they say they are."
>>    - True protocol agnosticism, this data standard should be
>>    freely interchangeable with the number of web technologies that exist.
>>    - Content portability, meaning the user can choose to use a number of
>>    providers to store pictures, comments, events, messages, etc. while still
>>    having their information available to those with the proper access.
>>
>>  Anyway, here is the current link to the proposal:
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/federatedsocialweb/wiki/SOCML_Proposal
>>
>>  The SOCML standard overiew:
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/federatedsocialweb/wiki/SOCML_Standard
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>>  And the Technical Specifications (in progress!):
>>  http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/federatedsocialweb/wiki/SOCML_Technical
>>
>>  Please feel free to critique or reprimand.
>>
>>  I hope everyone is doing well, and I look forward to working with
>> everyone.
>>
>>  Chris
>>
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>> On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 5:08 PM, Christopher A <chris.socml@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>>  First, I want to apologize if I have overstepped boundaries with
>>> respect to editing the groups Wiki page.
>>>
>>>  I recently posted a proposal for a "Federated Social Network Data
>>> Standard" on the groups Wiki. I admit, that I have not searched the
>>> web thoroughly with respect to other initiatives like this; however, given
>>> the superficial research I have done, I have come to the conclusion that
>>> currently there are no open dialogs around this topic.
>>>
>>>  Over the next couple of days I will begin posting proposed
>>> technical specifications for the standard. I would like for everyone to
>>> contribute feedback and make suggestions/modifications.
>>>
>>>  The solution I am proposing is simple: we need to standardize social
>>> media content such that independent developers can create their own
>>> services that can share and aggregate data under a common standard. This
>>> standard, should be open and free, not encumbered by patents, and be easy
>>> to implement while offering these features:
>>>
>>>
>>>    -
>>>     - Complete end-to-end privacy control, with use
>>>    of asymmetric encryption.
>>>    - A method for authenticating that people are who they say they are.
>>>    - True data agnosticism, meaning the end user can choose to use a
>>>    number of providers to store pictures, comments, events, messages, etc.
>>>    while still having their information available to those with the proper
>>>    access.
>>>    - The ability to freely host or move their information to different
>>>    service providers.
>>>
>>>  Anyway, here is the current link to the proposal:
>>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/federatedsocialweb/wiki/SOCML_Proposal
>>>
>>>  The SOCML standard overiew:
>>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/federatedsocialweb/wiki/SOCML_Standard
>>>
>>>  And the Technical Specifications (in progress!):
>>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/federatedsocialweb/wiki/SOCML_Technical
>>>
>>>  Please feel free to critique or reprimand.
>>>
>>>  I hope everyone is doing well, and I look forward to working with
>>> everyone.
>>>
>>>  Chris
>>>
>>>
>>
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