- From: Anthony Ettinger <aettinger@sdsualumni.org>
- Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:15:07 -0800
- To: Kynn Bartlett <nextofkynn@gmail.com>
- Cc: Jens Meiert <jens.meiert@erde3.com>, public-evangelist@w3.org
- Message-ID: <3fc6b2fb0602030915g463c38fey1fe060ddfbe35b9b@mail.gmail.com>
i definitely recommend using a screen reader. Those things really do work differently than what you expect, at least that was my experience. On 2/1/06, Kynn Bartlett <nextofkynn@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On 2/1/06, Jens Meiert <jens.meiert@erde3.com> wrote: > > But, Nielsen's "Don't listen to users" [1] applies here as well, so > > testing > > is still far more commendable than just asking users. > > Jakob Nielsen seems to prefer the eye-catching controversial headline > to common sense approach to accessibility. In this case, it's more > unhelpful than helpful to "not listen to users" who operate > screenreaders; his little dictats get poorly quoted often. (They're > not scripture, after all.) > > Nielsen suggests that instead of listening to what users say, you > should watch what users do. Fair enough, except that hardly any > visually-dependent designer is going to be able to make even a lick of > sense out of an experienced and competent screenreader user's session. > For starters, the speech rate will be amazingly fast in nearly every > case. > > > And from my experience, trying out assistive technologies (AT) is > > perfect > > for sensitization. [...] > > Every open mouth I see when accessing a page with a simple voice > > browser > > shows that trying out does a good job in sensitizing. > > Sensitiziation isn't the same thing as finding out how screenreaders > are actually used. And a single demonstration by a trainer of "this > is what a voice browser makes a page look like" is far different than > using a screenreader with the goal of finding out how to design > accessible pages. Demonstrations of the sort you describe have their > value, sure, but it's also valuable to sit down with a screenreader > user and ask them how they use the Web in general -- and then have > them go and do usability tests on your site as well. > > > While I agree that developers should not rely alone on > > their experience using e.g. screenreaders, I recommend using them > > nonetheless to get a feeling for AT usage and common problems AT > > users face. > > I've never once seen a Web developer who is willing to use a > screenreader as their primary means of access for two weeks straight > in order to become proficient with the screenreader. (Because that's > about how long it takes for minimal skill in one.) > > What you describe is sort of like if you're trying to design a > motocross track for motorcycles, but you don't know how to ride. > Instead of asking experienced off-road bike folks how to do it, you go > out and get yourself a Harley, ride it a couple times, and leave it in > your garage. > > --Kynn > > > -- Anthony Ettinger Signature: http://chovy.dyndns.org/hcard.html
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