- From: Leo Sauermann <leo.sauermann@gnowsis.com>
- Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 15:21:23 +0200
- To: Kevin Richards <RichardsK@landcareresearch.co.nz>
- CC: "rob.tice@k-int.com" <rob.tice@k-int.com>, "public-esw-thes@w3.org" <public-esw-thes@w3.org>, "simon.cox@jrc.ec.europa.eu" <simon.cox@jrc.ec.europa.eu>
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As usually, this is the moment where I say:
the Crisis of not knowing which Uris to use to identify concepts ("URI
crisis") is resolved by our W3C IG note about "cool uris for the
semantic web":
http://www.w3.org/TR/cooluris/
please read this explanation of the official spec.
best
Leo
It was Kevin Richards who said at the right time 14.05.2010 23:07 the
following words:
> I agree that it is important to distinguish between resolvability of
> the identifier and the 'identification' function of it. I have
> recently blogged about a similar topic (somewhat of a blog novice
> however) - see http://biodiv-dev.blogspot.com/
> < a=""> >
> Kevin Richards
>
> Sent from my HTC
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Simon Cox" <simon.cox@jrc.ec.europa.eu>
> Date: Sat, May 15, 2010 1:56 AM
> Subject: URIs for public data - was RE: URIs for Concept &
> ConceptScheme - best practice?
> To: "'Rob Tice'" <rob.tice@k-int.com>,
> "public-esw-thes@w3.org" <public-esw-thes@w3.org>
>
> <http://biodiv-dev.blogspot.com/%20%3Cbr>
> Rob -
>
> I'm somewhat familar with the data.gov.uk policy in this area, in
> particular the plans from the UK Location Program (I've been providing
> feedback to the latter, on behalf of JRC who lead the INSPIRE
> initiative, and the OGC where I chair the 'Naming Authority').
>
> As I understand it data.gov.uk is aware of the issue, and is planning
> to address the problem by using domains that represent concepts
> (schools, roads, etc) rather than the todays name for the govt.
> department that administers the resource (dcsf yesterday, education
> today).
> This makes sense to me - the name has to be robust in the face of
> typical organizational instability.
>
> But that's about the beginning of the URI: I'm focussing on the other
> end ;-)
>
> Simon
>
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> *Simon Cox
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> *From:* Rob Tice [mailto:rob.tice@k-int.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, 14 May 2010 15:44
> *To:* 'Simon Cox'; public-esw-thes@w3.org
> *Subject:* RE: URIs for Concept & ConceptScheme - best practice?
>
> Simon
>
>
>
> Anyone who is in the UK at the mo and is in the business of
> managing identifiers for resources within government departments
> might possibly be ruminating on why uri’s don’t actually always
> make good identifiers.
>
>
>
> For info.
>
>
>
> http://www.education.gov.uk
>
>
>
> versus
>
>
>
> http://www.dcsf.gov.uk
>
>
>
>
>
> Proper separation between identification and resolution anyone
> (Ducks behind the parapet J)
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> Rob
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* public-esw-thes-request@w3.org
> [mailto:public-esw-thes-request@w3.org] *On Behalf Of *Simon Cox
> *Sent:* 14 May 2010 13:42
> *To:* public-esw-thes@w3.org
> *Subject:* URIs for Concept & ConceptScheme - best practice?
>
>
>
> I'm thinking about identifier policies for ontologies and
> concept-schemes.
>
>
>
> In work that I have done previously on identifier policies for
> Open Geospatial Consortium and for Commission for Geoscience
> Information we used the identifier scheme largely as a way to
> enforce certain /governance/ arrangements for resource
> publication. The general principle is that a URI is composed of a
> number of fields. A new URI can only be minted if the values in
> all the fields are valid; the allowable value for each field must
> come from a specific register; and different parties are
> authorized to modify different registers. So we end up with a
> delegation system. This kind of scheme uses the URI structure for
> internal governance purposes, within the community.
>
>
>
> But http URIs have a 'path-like' structure which can be
> interpreted as a tree. Read in this way, the URI scheme impies
> certain relationships between resources, in particular 'ownership'
> of children by their parents. Notwithstanding the REST
> principle that information is in the representation and not the
> identifier, Cool URIs can be interpreted by users, and typically
> support navigation through tweaking the URI (many refs). This
> kind of scheme is aimed at external users.
>
>
>
> Following this approach: is it smart to have the URI for a SKOS
> concept to be just an extension of the URI for the SKOS concept
> scheme?
>
>
>
> e.g.
>
> <http://resource.geosciml.org/concept/unit-rank/bed> skos:inScheme
> <http://resource.geosciml.org/concept/unit-rank>.
>
>
>
> I'm assuming slash URIs, since I want the server to do most of the
> work, supporting content-negotiation, etc.
>
> The advantage in this approach is that a casual user can navigate
> between parent and child by URI twiddling.
>
> But possible gotchas are
>
> (1) it assumes exactly one parent
>
> - it requires every concept to be in a scheme
>
> - it privileges one scheme above any others (though I think
> there is no limit on the number of inScheme properties a Concept
> can have?)
>
> (2) there must be some others
>
>
>
> I'd be interested in comments.
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
> *Simon Cox
> *
> European Commission, Joint Research Centre
> Institute for Environment and Sustainability
> Spatial Data Infrastructures Unit, TP 262
> Via E. Fermi, 2749, I-21027 Ispra (VA), Italy
> Tel: +39 0332 78 3652
> Fax: +39 0332 78 6325
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> http://ies.jrc.ec.europa.eu/simon-cox
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