- From: Bernard Vatant <bernard.vatant@mondeca.com>
- Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 14:45:53 +0200
- To: François-Paul Servant <francois-paul.servant@renault.com>
- Cc: public-esw-thes@w3.org, fps <fps@semanlink.net>
Hi François-Paul Similar issues are discussed large on sw forum in the thread called "Managing Co-reference (Was: A Semantic Elephant?)" http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2008May/0078.html I just answered at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2008May/0103.html ... and seems to me your question has something to do with this s-property Bernard François-Paul Servant a écrit : > > Hi, > > In the "Linked Data" community, people give URIs to "real world > things", such as animals, cities or persons. > > In SKOS, we define and give URIs to concepts, "ideas or meanings that > are unit of thoughts..." > > It seems obvious that there is a deep (and possibly complex relation) > between skos:Concept(s) and "real world (physical) things" (I would > even say that, except maybe in very particular domains such as > mathematics, there is no way to define a concept without relating it > to "real world things"). > > For instance, there is a relation between the skos:Concept > "ex:platypus" declared in a given SKOS scheme and the funny australian > animal which was given the URI "dbPedia:Platypus" by the dbPedia project: > > skosex:platypus p dbPedia:Platypus > > What kind of property should be used for "p" in that statement? > > We can think of: > 1) owl:sameAs > 2) skos:exactMatch > 3) moat:meaningURI > 4) dc:subject > 5) ... > > 1) doesn't seem OK (for reasons that include the reasons why we do not > use owl:sameAs to state that 2 skos:Concepts are the same) > > 2) implies that dbPedia:Platypus is a skos:Concept. DBPedia doesn't > state that, and it is controversial to say that a real world thing is > a conceptual resource. SKOS doesn't seem to want to allow such > statements: in the wiki [1] we can read: > "So, for a resource of type skos:Concept, any properties of that > resource (such as creator, date of modification, source etc.) should > be interpreted as properties of a concept, and not as properties of > some 'real world thing' that that resource may be a conceptualisation > of." > > 3) MOAT ("Meaning Of A Tag" [2]) relates tags to their meaning. The > meaning of a tag is an instance of a class "Meaning" (that probably > could be considered as a skos:Concept). A dedicated property > moat:meaningURI is used to link the "Meaning" to a "real world thing". > We have something like this: > > tag:platypus moat:hasMeaning moat:meaning_platypus > moat:meaning_platypus moat:meaningURI dbPedia:Platypus > > 4) seems weak > > 5) any better idea ? > > The pattern used in [3] (MOAT) seems OK to me: we have on one side the > "Concept", and on the other the "real world thing". This allows to > write statements about the two entities, which are indeed distinct, > and at the same time allows to clearly define a concept, when existing > URI of a real world thing already exists. > However, I would'nt feel bad with solution 2 (I am ready to consider > real world things as concepts). But of course, my preference is 5 ;-) > > Anyway, shouldn't SKOS define a property allowing to state the > relation between a skos:Concept and the real world thing that that > skos:Concept is the conceptualisation of? > > Best Regards, > > François-Paul Servant > > [1] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosDesign/ConceptSemantics > [2] http://moat-project.org/ > > > > > -- *Bernard Vatant *Knowledge Engineering ---------------------------------------------------- *Mondeca** *3, cité Nollez 75018 Paris France Web: www.mondeca.com <http://www.mondeca.com> ---------------------------------------------------- Tel: +33 (0) 971 488 459 Mail: bernard.vatant@mondeca.com <mailto:bernard.vatant@mondeca.com> Blog: Leçons de Choses <http://mondeca.wordpress.com/>
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