- From: Bernard Vatant <bernard.vatant@mondeca.com>
- Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 17:07:08 +0100
- To: Jakob Voss <jakob.voss@gbv.de>
- Cc: public-esw-thes@w3.org
Hi Jakob
Seems we are very close indeed. Thanks for merging the pages!
I think your approach of making a combination of tags a narrower concept
of each component is better than mine, and I would be indeed happy to
get rid of owl classes altogether, but nevertheless capture in some way
that #zh is a primary language, #Hant a script (right?) and #HK a region.
Soo ... maybe we could simply define a "tagType" attribute to flag the
simple tags (lang is the default namespace, whatever that will be)
<skos:Concept rdf:about='#zh'>
<skos:prefLabel>zh</skos:prefLabel>
<skos:altLabel>Chinese</skos:altLabel>
<lang:tagType rdf:resource="#PrimaryLanguage">
<dc:date>2005-10-16</dc:date>
</skos:Concept>
Typing without classes is certainly better in this case than subclassing
skos:Concept, because otherwise we will have a quite weird conceptScheme
with concepts in different classes, with common narrower concepts with
none of those. Very bizarre ...
And we also forget about any "Language" class, which is certainly a good
idea, and actually going around the difficulty of defining what "is"a
language. Which I gladly buy (because nobody will ever be able to
define what a language is).
I now look at my example document
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_French, written in en-US about fr-CA
to see how it flies:
<foaf:Document rdf:about="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_French">
<dc:language rdf:resource="⟨en-US"/>
<dc:subject rdf:resource="⟨fr-CA">
</foaf:Document>
Not bad. We have in your model
lang:en-US skos:broader lang:en
lang:en-US skos:broader lang:US
So I will find my document by looking under either "lang:en" or
"lang:US" indexes. Seems to fly well indeed. :-)
Bernard
Jakob Voss a écrit :
> Bernard Vatant wrote:
>
>
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-esw-thes/2006Dec/0033.html
>>
>> I'd never had any feedback about the latter, although we are now well
>> ahead into the next year ... :-(
>> but seems that Jakob is walking along similar lines.
>> Jakob, did you look at http://esw.w3.org/topic/Languages_as_RDF_Resources?
>> What do you think?
>>
>
> Thanks for pointing me to your proposal. I merged the pages but there
> are some differences between our approaches. I'd completely build upon
> SKOS instead of using different classes and OWL:
>
> <skos:Concept rdf:about='#zh'>
> <skos:prefLabel>zh</skos:prefLabel>
> <skos:altLabel>Chinese</skos:altLabel>
> <dc:date>2005-10-16</dc:date>
> </skos:Concept>
> <skos:Concept rdf:about='#Hant'>
> <skos:prefLabel>Hant</skos:prefLabel>
> <skos:altLabel>Han (Traditional variant)</skos:altLabel>
> <dc:date>2005-10-16</dc:date>
> </skos:Concept>
> <skos:Concept rdf:about='#HK'>
> <skos:prefLabel>HK</skos:prefLabel>
> <skos:altLabel>Hong Kong</skos:altLabel>
> <dc:date>2005-10-16</dc:date>
> </skos:Concept>
> <skos:Concept rdf:about='#zh-Hant'>
> <skos:prefLabel>zh-Hant</skos:prefLabel>
> <skos:altLabel>traditional Chinese</skos:altLabel>
> <dc:date>2003-05-30</dc:date>
> <skos:broader rdf:resource='#zh'/>
> <skos:broader rdf:resource='#Hant'/>
> </skos:Concept>
> <skos:Concept rdf:about='#zh-Hant-HK'>
> <skos:prefLabel>zh-Hant-HK</skos:prefLabel>
> <skos:altLabel>Hong Kong Chinese in traditional script</skos:altLabel>
> <dc:date>2005-04-11</dc:date>
> <skos:broader rdf:resource='#zh-Hant'/>
> <skos:broader rdf:resource='#HK'/>
> </skos:Concept>
>
> But as far as I understand this is no contradiction - my proposal may be
> a less detailed subset of yours.
>
> By the way I'd prefer to use skos:notation and/or skos:title and
> skos:Coordination but these are not defined yet.
>
> Greetings,
> Jakob
>
>
>
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