- From: Avneesh Singh <avneesh.sg@gmail.com>
- Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2018 14:31:30 +0530
- To: "Gregorio Pellegrino - Fondazione LIA" <gregorio.pellegrino@fondazionelia.org>, "Johnson, Rick" <Rick.Johnson@vitalsource.com>, <deborah.kaplan@suberic.net>, "'W3C EPUB 3 Community Group'" <public-epub3@w3.org>
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In the best practices of the LIA Foundation we suggest publishers to insert, as the first element of the spine, an HTML file containing ONLY the cover image (in a rasterized format, not SVG because in our tests did not seem well managed by reading systems and screen readers). The alt-text of the cover picture shall contain the title, the author and any other relevant information present on the cover. Avneesh: Direction taken in this sample book is somewhat the same, with some changes in the detail. With regards Avneesh --- Gregorio Pellegrino Fondazione LIA gregorio.pellegrino@fondazionelia.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Da: Avneesh Singh <avneesh.sg@gmail.com> Inviato: venerdì 7 dicembre 2018 05:40:13 A: Johnson, Rick; deborah.kaplan@suberic.net; 'W3C EPUB 3 Community Group' Oggetto: Re: [External] Re: New fundamental test book and covers Good to see that accessibility of cover image has generated such a good discussion. Clarifying the objective of this example sent by George. In EPUB 3, cover was not accessible, we recognized it while development of WP, and worked on making it accessible. But EPUB 3.x is still lagging behind in this, so the objective is to provide a "work around" for providing accessible cover in the existing environment and existing state of reading systems. This is why the focus is on content and not on updating reading systems. It is difficult to come up with precise set of guidelines that will fit all kind of EPUB publications. So, I think that our approach should be to define some principles and allow content creators to develop best practices or their content based on the principles. The principles that we discussed were: The main principle is that a cover should solve the same purpose for person with disability as it would do for any other person. for example, if a cover image is used for marketing or generating interest in the potential readers, the alt text should provide the same information to person with disability. We encourage providing extended description, but it is not a hard requirement because many publishers are still at the level of providing meaningful alttext. Title of the publication is exposed by reading systems, but metadata for author may or may not be exposed in accessible way. So, title and author should be provided to ensure that both are available to readers. In the fundamental test book example, this info is the first piece in alt text, which is followed by description of the image. So, the intent is to provide a simple example build on a set of principles, that can work in existing environment and existing reading systems. With regards Avneesh -----Original Message----- From: Johnson, Rick Sent: Friday, December 7, 2018 9:03 To: deborah.kaplan@suberic.net ; 'W3C EPUB 3 Community Group' Subject: Re: [External] Re: New fundamental test book and covers I don't see a way to move beyond #3 (the status quo). #2 - The complexities of making something optional on a title by title basis, determining who is making it optional (publisher? Distributor? Author? Reader? Can a teacher make it optional for a textbook, but only for specific classes? And on, and on...), and then inserting it into the reading order (is it maintained in the same place for every book on subsequent launches? Can it be placed in arbitrary places? Who determines this?), while requiring a reading system to solve this in order to be conformant, is too onerous. #1 - The complexities of reverse engineering every AT and how to insert non-standard alt markup for it to be treated like standard alt markup, and requiring reading systems to do this (and maintain it as new AT emerge, and existing ones update) in order to be conformant, is too onerous. We are left with #3. -Rick On 12/6/18, 4:54 PM, "deborah.kaplan@suberic.net" <deborah.kaplan@suberic.net> wrote: I feel like metadata is a red herring here, because while it's one of the use cases, the examples I gave (comics and picture books) are of cases where the art should be described, as meaningful images. This means there is a clear use case for cover alt being available to a book reader, regardless of options for encoding metadata. This means there are three plausible solutions: 1. Require reading systems to report any cover alt to AT, in some way, perhaps with visually hidden text marked as doc-cover. 2. Require reading systems to make the cover available to all readers, as well as AT, as an optional page that can be read in the reading order. 3. Tell content creators that if content from the cover is meaningful to the reading experience, they need to including it as a page in the reading order. (This is more or less what we do now.) Three is the status quo and results in an inconsistent and confusing state of affairs. Two is what I've always wished we do, but I have heard plenty of others in publishing who dislike having the cover in the reading order. We ideally should do one or two. 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