Re: New fundamental test book and covers

George wrote: If there is other marketing text on the cover, IMO I would put that outside the alt text, because everybody would probably want to read that.

That makes sense to me. But it isn't what I see for the ebooks in my library. The text on the cover is not in the book content.

Because it is on the cover, it is available to me as a sighted person, even on my smartphone.

Richard

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From: George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2018 10:57:57 PM
To: 'Elsey, Teresa'; 'Siegman, Tzviya'; 'W3C EPUB 3 Community Group'
Subject: RE: New fundamental test book and covers

Hi,

I believe that Teresa has nailed it.

What I would call the formal title page would contain the information about the title along with authors, Publisher, editions, current and past copyrights etc.

The cover is different and is one of the components of an EPUB, which has not been accessible. While The Bookshelf function uses the metadata, including the thumbnail of the cover image, , we thought having the cover as the first item in the content would resolve this problem. If there is a meaningful image, that would be communicated in the alt text of the image. If there is other marketing text on the cover, IMO I would put that outside the alt text, because everybody would probably want to read that.

Oh, and a thumnail on a small device, like a phone, might be really hard to read for anybody.

Best
George


From: Elsey, Teresa <Teresa.Elsey@hmhco.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2018 2:00 PM
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Subject: Re: New fundamental test book and covers

My ebook group does not generally include the cover image in the book content, so George’s point that doing so is the only way to make alt text for the cover available is I think a good one to underscore. (We do include a title page, which generally has the same information – title and author.)

Teresa



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Thanks for clarifying, George. I think it’s a good idea to work on best practices for including author and title in the alt for cover.

Tzviya Siegman
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Subject: RE: New fundamental test book and covers

Hi,

I think that most RS use the metadata to present the title in their bookshelf. Because there is no alt text in our metadata to present , we are suggesting that the cover be the first item in the book content. Here, because it is HTML, we have the alt attribute available to present the essential information about the cover.

I think it is as simple as that. If there is another way, it would be good to know.

Best
George


From: Siegman, Tzviya <tsiegman@wiley.com<mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>>
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2018 11:22 AM
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Subject: RE: New fundamental test book and covers

Hi George,

I think I might not be fully understanding what you’re proposing. It seems to me that there are two possible solutions to users being unable to access author and title information from the bookshelf view. The first is to call upon the Reading Systems to expose the existing metadata to all users. The second is to establish best practices for authoring image descriptions for cover images to include the author and title and call upon reading systems to expose that users.

I am not sure that I understood what you meant about including the information in the first page of the book. How would a user be able to access the information from the bookshelf? Would you mind explaining the process that you are envisioning a bit more?

Thanks,
Tzviya

Tzviya Siegman
Information Standards Lead
Wiley
201-748-6884
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From: George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com<mailto:kerscher@montana.com>>
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2018 12:01 PM
To: W3C EPUB 3 Community Group <public-epub3@w3.org<mailto:public-epub3@w3.org>>
Subject: New fundamental test book and covers

Hi,

With EPUB 3, the metadata for a cover includes an image title and author. A blind person would not be able to get information about the cover in the Reading Systems bookshelf.

In our fundamental test book, we have included as the first page information about the cover image.

I have attached it here, and it is in the draft version of this title at:
http://dl.daisy.org/epub30-test-0300-20181129.epub

We  are fairly confident that any Reading System would not have a problem with this approach.

Is this something to consider as a best practice?

Best
George

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