- From: MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>
- Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2017 16:56:28 +0900
- To: Avneesh Singh <avneesh.sg@gmail.com>
- Cc: public-epub3@w3.org
- Message-ID: <CALvn5EDgnT1iZwvkvt8DkkNHJ2nRTULM+Xe=e-UP-CxXcnZUbw@mail.gmail.com>
Avneesh 2017-08-07 13:44 GMT+09:00 Avneesh Singh <avneesh.sg@gmail.com>: > Hi Makoto, > > From all the great information provided by you, I understood the following. > - The ISo drafting rules are quite different than W3C drafting rules. So, > most probably we will have to re-draft EPUB accessibility specs for ISO if > the current rules of ISO persist. > This is unlikely to change. Japan does not intend to propose a change to Directives, Part 2. But the current editing procedure requires that (1) you use MS Word, (2) ITTF creates XML from your Word doc, (3) ITTF then creates a Word doc and a PDF doc from the XML, (4) ITTF then sends the Word and PDF files to you, and (5) you will be asked to correct many mistakes introduced during this process in a very short time. Japan intends to complain here. > - We should wait for October ISO meeting before we make decision on > redrafting, because there is a possibility that ISO decide to change some > rules in October. > At least, we hope that we will not be requested to follow the above procedure. > > The next question is what effect it have on us as EPUB 3 CG group. > - If we are looking for EPUB accessibility spec 1.0 to go for ISO then > this will have an effect. > - But if we intend to work on ISO standardization of EPUB accessibility > spec 1.1 then it may not be having much effect, because the new spec will > cbe released in next year. > If the members invoke ISO to change rules in October, will ISO be able to > settle its rules in 6 to 8 months? > Today I spoke with Prof. Ishikawa. He is a member of the UN Committee on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities [1]. He is also the chair of the Japanese government committee on the Policies for Disabilities. [1] https://www.un.org/development/desa/disabilities/conference-of-states-parties-to-the-convention-on-the-rights-of-persons-with-disabilities-2/9thsession.html I explained to him that there is a plan to create an ISO/IEC version of EPUB Accessibility. He immediately asked whether it will be an International Standard or Technical Specification. I said that the plan is to create a Technical Specification. He said that a Technical Specification will not be considered as a de jure standard by the Japanese government, and strongly requested an IS rather than a TS. I thus would like the CG to create ISs for both EPUB 3.0.1 and EPUB Accessibility. Regards, Makoto > With regards > Avneesh > *From:* MURATA Makoto > *Sent:* Monday, August 7, 2017 03:29 > *To:* public-epub3@w3.org > *Subject:* Re: [a11y] Editorial changes required for creating an ISO/IEC > spec for EPUB a11y > > Leonard, > > You are very right. As far as I know, ITTF does not pay much attention > to what committees say. I am hoping that they will pay more attention > to what member bodies (who pay) say. It would be nice if member > bodies in the upcoming JTC1 plenary read the JTC 1 Project > Editors’ Forum Report (prepared by the SC22 chair, Rex Jaeschke) > in advance. > > Regards, > Makoto > > 2017-08-07 4:49 GMT+09:00 Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>: > >> Good luck with getting them to change their process!! Two of my TCs >> have been trying to get them to change for years now, including have >> meetings with the people in charge to explain the technical problems in >> their current system. Unfortunately, they were “conned” (my word choice) >> into purchasing a publishing system on which they spent a **lot** of $$ >> - and they are therefore unwilling to make another change (esp. since it >> would require them to almost completely toss this ‘new’ system). >> >> >> >> Matt, you are however quite correct that something coming out of respec >> won’t comply with ISO guidelines… >> >> >> >> Leonard >> >> >> >> *From: *<eb2mmrt@gmail.com> on behalf of MURATA Makoto < >> eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp> >> *Date: *Sunday, August 6, 2017 at 11:29 AM >> *To: *"public-epub3@w3.org" <public-epub3@w3.org> >> *Subject: *Re: [a11y] Editorial changes required for creating an ISO/IEC >> spec for EPUB a11y >> *Resent-From: *<public-epub3@w3.org> >> *Resent-Date: *Sunday, August 6, 2017 at 11:28 AM >> >> >> >> Matt, >> >> >> Unfortunately, the current editing process in ISO are "hopelessly >> broken", >> as pointed out by ISO/IEC JTC 1 Project Editors’ Forum Report >> >> (SC34 N2405). We might want to wait for the next JTC1 plenary >> >> in 2017 October, because member bodies (e.g., Japan) will argue >> >> against ISO/IEC Information Technology Task Force (ITTF) and >> >> try to change the current process. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Makoto >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> 2017-08-06 21:42 GMT+09:00 Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com>: >> >> > In my understanding, outputs from the CG have no status in W3C and are >> thus free from W3C rules >> >> >> >> That's what we should clear up. The documents have been converted to use >> respec, which requires certain things (status section, abstract, etc.) and >> generates others automatically (table of contents, references at the end of >> the document, etc.). I don't believe the output is fully compatible with >> ISO structure rules as I reviewed them. >> >> >> >> I'd hate to have to maintain a document manually, although worst-case we >> might be able to post-process the respec output to excise unwanted parts >> and reshuffle. >> >> >> >> Matt >> >> >> >> *From:* eb2mmrt@gmail.com [mailto:eb2mmrt@gmail.com] *On Behalf Of *MURATA >> Makoto >> *Sent:* August 5, 2017 10:42 PM >> *To:* public-epub3@w3.org >> *Subject:* Re: [a11y] Editorial changes required for creating an ISO/IEC >> spec for EPUB a11y >> >> >> >> Matt, >> >> >> >> 2017-08-06 11:01 GMT+09:00 Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com>: >> >> Is the idea here that a copy of the 1.0 specification will be taken and >> submitted to ISO with these changes, which look like they don't change >> anything normatively? >> >> >> >> This is possible. >> >> >> >> Or are we supposed to prepare a 1.1 like this and publish it in W3C? >> >> >> >> This is also possible. >> >> >> >> If so, I wonder how some of the ISO requirements won't conflict with >> respec/W3C practices. >> >> >> >> In my understanding, outputs from the CG have no status in W3C and >> >> are thus free from W3C rules >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Makoto >> >> >> >> Matt >> >> >> >> *From:* eb2mmrt@gmail.com [mailto:eb2mmrt@gmail.com] *On Behalf Of *MURATA >> Makoto >> *Sent:* August 5, 2017 8:17 PM >> *To:* public-epub3@w3.org >> *Subject:* [a11y] Editorial changes required for creating an ISO/IEC >> spec for EPUB a11y >> >> >> >> Folks, >> >> >> >> Since we cannot use the fast-track procedure or PAS procedure, we are >> >> required to follow the drafting rules of ISO/IEC. (Note: EPUB 3.0 >> >> did not follow them, since it was fast-tracked.) >> >> >> >> ISO/IEC Directives Part 2: Principles to structure and draft documents >> >> intended to become International Standards, Technical Specifications >> >> or Publicly Available Specifications. >> >> >> >> http://www.iso.org/sites/directives/2016/part2/index.xhtml#_ >> idTextAnchor055 >> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.iso.org%2Fsites%2Fdirectives%2F2016%2Fpart2%2Findex.xhtml%23_idTextAnchor055&data=02%7C01%7C%7C0d28638058994996038c08d4dcdfe584%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636376301595853117&sdata=70anc9k6sdA4hRVtvUr%2FrmCR7IkvcV%2BNx0y%2B5MYGpj4%3D&reserved=0> >> >> >> >> I think that there are two significant changes. >> >> >> >> First, we have to provide Foreword, Introduction, and Scope as >> >> required by Directives Part 2. This requires some work, although >> >> we can use some text from "1. Overview" in EPUB A11Y 1.0. >> >> >> >> Second, we have to use SHALL, MAY, and other modal verbs as required >> >> by Directives Part 2. Most notably, all MUSTs have to be replaced by >> >> SHALLs. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Makoto >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Praying for the victims of the Japan Tohoku earthquake >> >> Makoto >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Praying for the victims of the Japan Tohoku earthquake >> >> Makoto >> > > > > -- > > Praying for the victims of the Japan Tohoku earthquake > > Makoto > -- Praying for the victims of the Japan Tohoku earthquake Makoto
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