Re: EOCred: CreativeWork? and reporting back to schema.org

Ditto: +1 for CreativeWork. Very clear explanations, Phil & Stuart. That said, it will be good to hear feedback from the broader community.

Bob

> On Jun 18, 2018, at 1:37 PM, Stuart Sutton <stuartasutton@gmail.com> wrote:
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> +1 for CreativeWork for all the reasons you list, Phil. In addition, we have a certain level of precedent with Course--a CreativeWork. Many of the traits of Course are shared by EducationalOccupationalCredential. Both require shaping the criteria for achievement, picking (and frequently authoring) competencies (knowledge, skills, abilities), shaping what will be assessed...all creative acts requiring more than a modicum of originality. 
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> Looking at the current list of more specific types of CreativeWork, it's really hard to make the argument that the type is intended for "works of art and literary /scientific works".
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> We do need to acknowledge that other kinds of broadly defined Credential may not be CreativeWorks; e.g., a credential defined as a set of claims comprised if ab aggregation of facts establishing identity (over 20 years, legal resident etc).
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> On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Phil Barker <phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk <mailto:phil.barker@pjjk.co.uk>> wrote:
> Hello all,
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> as there hasn't been any objection to the idea that we defer most of the unaddressed use cases / issues, and because I think that the main schema.org <http://schema.org/> community will want to have a say about EducationalOccupationalCredentials as a subtype of CreativeWork, I have posted a comment <https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/1779#issuecomment-397327784> on the schema.org <http://schema.org/> project issue tracker that relates to Educational and Occupational Credentials to the effect that we are nearly done and inviting comments on our proposed solution. That comment is here: https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/1779#issuecomment-397327784 <https://github.com/schemaorg/schemaorg/issues/1779#issuecomment-397327784>
> On that point of EducationalOccupationalCredentials as a subtype of CreativeWork, I think the salient points are:
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> EducationalOccupationalCredentials are created, they can be copyrighted, that for me suggested strongly that they are CreativeWorks
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> Other people (I think) have other ideas about what is the defining feature of a CreativeWork. From the examples I suspect that was may be CreativeWork is meant for works of art and literary / scientific works.
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> There is clearly and affinity between educational occupational credentials and things like permits and other more general credentials
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> In addressing explicit use cases we have used two properties from CreativeWork (offers and inLanguage) and two from Permit (validFor and ValidIn).
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> There are many other properties of CreativeWork that could be applied to descriptions of Educational and Occupational Credentials; the most notable of these are creator, copyrightOwner, educationalAlignment.
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> Other groups looking at educational credentials have treated them as schema.org <http://schema.org/> CreativeWorks either explicitly (CTDL:Credential <http://credreg.net/ctdl/terms#Credential>) or implicitly (Open Badges <https://www.imsglobal.org/sites/default/files/Badges/OBv2p0/index.html#BadgeClass> BadgeClass <https://www.imsglobal.org/sites/default/files/Badges/OBv2p0/index.html#BadgeClass> through use of alignment and the AligmentObject)
> Does anyone have anything to add to that? or does anyone want to express a strong preference for EducationalOccupationalCredentials being one thing or another?
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> Regards, Phil
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