- From: Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2019 13:43:54 +0200
- To: Eric Eggert <ee@w3.org>, Shawn Henry <shawn@w3.org>
- Cc: public-eo-plan@w3.org
I agree with Eric, I prefer when there is a frozen version that does not keep changing while I'm reviewing it. I believe in the past this was the request of several participants too. The proposed solution of having two links -- one to a frozen snapshot and one to a live draft seems to meet the best of both worlds. If EOWG (or EOWG leadership) decides to take up this approach, then reviewers of the frozen version *must* make sure to also review the closed issues to avoid re-opening/repeating issues. Best, Shadi On 07/08/2019 09:12, Eric Eggert wrote: > Just as an idea: If the changes that come in during a review are done in > a branch, reviewers have a “frozen” version /and/ editors can update > along the way. One could even think about having daily snapshots so that > people can just use the most recent version which is then fixed > (probably overkill). > > For a thorough review, I think having a frozen version is essential. I > kinda expect that those are so far along that the editor is making > relatively minor changes anyway. > > As a participant, I find targeting a moving resource exhausting and > really hard to motivate myself to make time for it early. When I know an > editor is implementing changes as we go, I wait until the last minute to > make sure I can review the latest version before it gets back to the group. > > As an editor, I prefer the review of a “frozen” version as it feels more > time efficient as I can weigh different comments against each other > before making a change or get to the group to get comments. If I already > implement a change and then have a different view it means I have to > explain to the group what the status was that leads to the change and > then what the new change is. If there is a baseline version I can say > “these have been the two comments, how shall I tackle this” which feels > more productive. I usually prefer to not work on the particular resource > at all during review. It helps me to gain perspective for implementing > the changes. > > I don’t feel that there is an easy answer to this and it depends on the > work mode of the editor. > > 👋 Eric > > On 6 Aug 2019, at 18:34, Shawn Henry wrote: > > Hi all, > > When a draft resource is under review it, should we freeze it or > update it appropriately during the review period? I think it would > be good to establish a default approach, and can do differently in > specific cases as warranted. > > Two recent use cases (I might not have the scenarios exactly right): > > 1. Authoring Tools List Requirements Analysis was put on the agenda > that was announced on Wednesday for Friday meeting discussion. On > Wednesday afternoon, Vicki sent 2 suggestions for additions. > > My perspective is that it was best to go ahead and add those (as > editor agreed) so they were in the document that we discussed on > Friday. If the doc was considered frozen until after Friday, then > we'd have to go back after or during the meeting and tell > participants those things were/would be added. And then do another > review. > > 2. Curriculum Units 1 & 2 Survey was opened on 31 July with a close > date of 13 August. Some comments came in right away that lead to > edits (that have not been merged yet, pending this issue :-). > > I know some people (e.g., Brent) will not be able to review this > until near the end of the review period. It would be more efficient > if those people reviewed the changes -- so they don't have to > re-review them later. > > --- > > One thing to keep in mind is that I think some people get worn out > with multiple reviews (and maybe not give good reviews at the end). > Therefore, it's probably good to avoid too many complete and > thorough reviews. > > About making changes as they come in (as feasible): > * Pros: It seems clear that making changes right away leads to > better, sooner, fewer reviews. > * Con: The potential negative of not freezing content is that some > participants print out the pages and start a review, but don't > finish it and submit comments. Then they go back later and finish > their review on the old printed pages -- and end up commenting on > wording that has changed (thus wasting their time). > > --- > > My perspective is that the pro outweighs the con significantly. > > I think if we let participants know of changes, then that mitigates > the con. I think the situation in the con is not super common -- and > we don't have to do a detailed diff as we go along, just a > high-level bullet list of which sections changed. > > Let's check in on this in EO-Plan meeting Wednesday, and maybe bring > to EOWG on Friday if we think useful. > > Best, > ~Shawn > > -- > > Eric Eggert > Web Accessibility Specialist > Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) at World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) > -- Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/ Accessibility Strategy and Technology Specialist Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
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